Re: [Killietalk] Commercial imports; what to label them?

[kingfish77 at comcast_net]

Hi All, 

Sorry for continuing the beating of the horse, but maybe what is needed is a general frame of reference.  No, not a relativistic one, but a agreed geographic convention that can function as the base - layer for all locations and collection data.  For example, if the geographic space is simplified into spatial units, other than Lat & Long, we could place each set of data for a particular collection inside the "box", even if multiple sets  (sympatric) occur.  The map would appear to be similair to the current digital camo that our soldiers wear. It would not matter what style of location code would be used because, as a International hobby, we could have the collector enter the data in a registery that would show up as a list of geographic attributes for the area in question. For example, So and so collect a species.  They enter the GPS point. This spot, whatever the accuracy, will be one place in the generalised area.  The generalised area's fu nction would be to attach any en
 try (n
ame) to any coordinate in the box.  The box would be labeled some easy to remember, alpha numeric code that represents the boundaries of the area. That way, we would not have to worry about the cumbersome numbers associated with the coordinate system.  Even if it is an intersection of two laterite muddy roads, the spot can be coded into the box.  The collector used a map to get the name and mileage of the spot in the first place.  So, even if we do not get GPS info, we can find a suitable solution for the mapped tropical intersection.

Anyway, just a thought.  There actually may be a product that does this already.  All the killie hobbyist of the world would just have to agree on the base layer!

Mark Delraso
Indianapolis

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From: Gary Elson or Mary Frauley <fraulels at videotron_ca> 

> Ken, 
> Wait a minute You want the meaning of life! 
> 
> Here are some points - killies come in, whether we bring them in or not. 
> Collectors collect and commercial people try to make money. So relax. 
> 
> Human lifespans are short, so we can't "warehouse" all species. Yes the sun 
> will go out. But if we hybridize our fish, we could lose some beautiful 
> populations before the next convention. You will still need sunscreen by 
> then. 
> 
> Long labels will not harm you. Those who want the information will have it 
> available, those who don't won't write it down because it seems silly to 
> them. I figure we should always err on the side of information. 
> 
> As for goals and objectives, if you don't have them, make them. There are 
> plenty of people in the AKA who have taken the time and energy to determine 
> what they want to do with their hobby/knowledge/skills. I like this thread 
> because they are presenting ideas to see how they mesh together with other 
> AKAer's ideas. If past experience rings true, pretty soon, someone will try 
> to throw a wrench in the works with some kind of wild attack on someone else 
> and the whole thread will grind to a halt, but for now there is a lot of 
> thought and there are a lot of tangible goals on the table. 
> 
> Gary E. 
> 
> 
> Ken wrote: 
> Thing about labeling and such is it is a supportive tool for hobby wide 
> goals... 
> the tiresome part may be that nobody or no "body" has ever exactly defined 
> what those goals and objectives are... 
> 
> then there is the thing about bringing in more species...this point was 
> touched upon earlier, but IMO needs addressing... 
> Barry and others point about conservation is valid, but at what end?...I can 
> see the whole damn thing getting silly/unweidly: 
> 
> 
> probably got the point.... 
> ...and what is our purpose here; to beat the rain forest bulldozers and 
> "warehouse" every killiefish on the "world grid" for next million years? 
> ...all the while inbreeding/preserving the genetics from 6 pairs till the 
> sun goes "white dwarf" and all 200 trillion individuals of homo sapiens has 
> evolved into disconnected "floating brains"... 
> 
> I'm not pro/con, for/against conservation or "hybridizing" or really 
> anything..just demonstrating all these "particulars" are really without any 
> concerted effort or tangible (pre-defined) goals 
> 
> KC 
> 
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