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Re: [Killietalk] Commercial imports; what to label them?
Hi Wright and all,
A few things I will add into this.
I had the good fortune of getting MANY new imports from Toyin when he was
importing cameroon fish. Only once did I see a mix up of a female. On a
exiguum, and that was probably a wildekampi female. She was small and the
error was mended very quickly on my next order.
I have friends that get in fresh wild imports and they often get the added
bonus of mixed species all from the same location. ie: wild riggenbachi
with frazwerneri mixed in. Cameronense with a few herzogi mixed in. That
is generally a good thing and evidence that these fish were actually
collected together out of the wild and shipped out.
I would like to mention the INCREDIBLE illustrations in Wildekamps book.
This is of great use in identifying females amongst different species.
Great care has been taken to assure accuracy. on aphyos this can be tough
because of non-distinct females. Even that can be overcame with reviewing
the dorsal insertion points. Body shape and size. THANK YOU Rudd
Wildekamp your work is more than an art!!
My experience with the wild imports is that with a little TLC they have
proven to be excellent breeders. The 5 generation issue?? Breed 98% of any
killies in a single line for 5 generations and see what you end up with.
Experience with: batesii, cameronense, amoenum, exiguum, elberti's,
mirabilis, procatopus and others. Never did I see anything that
demonstrated evidence of a hybrid.
On the group breeding I agree and think that is a bad Idea. So many times I
have tried this method. What you get may be natural selection but not in the
best interest of long term conservation. One male often proves dominant and
will end up breeding all of the females. MY EXPERIENCES! Instead they
really ought to develop 3-4 different lines keep track and blend them back
in continuously so as to avoid brother to sister breedings. But all to
often 1 or 2 pair may be all that is available so you can only work with
what is available.
I would like to emphasize that it is EXTREMELY important to maintain any and
ALL collection data provided on these fish. Even if you question its
integrity. If you see something that does not JIVE with standing knowledge
of the fish either take the time to clarify or flush the fish. I have spent
hours on emails and phone calls digging up a location on a few fish. It
usually pans out well.
It was not all that long ago. Bivittatum was a single species. NOW LOOK!!
last I checked it is 11 different species and probably more. The CI-n
epithet is still necessary to identify a locations year of introduction.
A bivittatum aquarium strain back in the 80's is for all practical purposes
a HYBRID!! Rivulus punctatus is being broken into 7 different species.
Pictus even more. Without a location these species are worthless. Riv.
ornatus will be the same way as soon as they can figure out how to decipher
all the cryptic species as suggested by Huber.
For anyone listening. LABEL THE DAMN BAGS!!!!! I see this all too often
that bags are improperly labeled or insufficiently labeled. If you cannot
take the time to identify locations properly or provide a key to identifying
the fish. DON'T SELL and DON'T trade; it will lead to errors and errors are
no good to the hobby or the fish.
God Bless, Lee Van Hyfte <><
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