Re: [Killietalk] Sudden death or resurrection?

[Joseph Scanlan <drkillinut at mac_com>]

Thanks all for all this information about sudden death[shock].  I  
need to give you more information and let's see where this leads.  I  
have well water [no chlorine].  The first case could have been  
nitrite toxicity as I will admit to poor water changes.  The last  
case occurred in a normal populated tank that has almost daily water  
changes so I don't think it could have been a build up of ammonia and  
certainly no chlorine.  The fish looked healthy and had no sign of  
abuse, so for me this was a real mystery and prompted the query.  Any  
more thoughts?    Joe
On Jul 15, 2007, at 4:14 PM, lee Van Hyfte wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> I'd be leaning towards electrolyte shock.   if you are using mains  
> water you
> often see shifts in the actual source of the water which would  
> appear to be
> the same.   Often the water dept. will have to shift from river  
> water to
> well water.   I have seen fluctuations in Local mains from over 550  
> ppm to
> 120ppm.  This can be rather dangerous to many fish.
>
> Calcium Potassium Magnesium and Sodium imbalances and sudden shifts  
> can
> induce seizure activity.  I found this most often in Juvenile and  
> older
> adult specimens.    The Salt bath would induce a sudden shift in  
> the ionic
> balances.
>
> If however it is nitrate toxicity.  A 1.5 dose of Methylene Blue  
> bath for
> 24-48 will assist in removing the nitrate ions which have bound to the
> Hemoglobin molecules.   Basically stripping the N03 off and  
> allowing the
> hemoglobin to again carry oxygen.
>
> If ammonia Increasing oxygenation will be critical as the gills are  
> badly
> burned.   Try Hydrogen peroxide 3% at 3 drops per gallon per 12  
> hours.  Mix
> it into a glass of water prior to adding to the tank.
>
> The hydrogen peroxide can be used in Nitrate poisoning to assure  
> that the
> hemoglobin is saturated with as much oxygen as possible.
>
> God Bless, lee <><
>
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