[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
Re: [Killietalk] response to response to response to response
Mike Is this your effort to run for the BOT?:>}
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Jacobs" <mjacobs2 at tampabay_rr.com>
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: [Killietalk] response to response to response to response
> Ken and Kevin
> Ohhhhhh, let's see, where do I start.
> Ken . . . I specifically remember thanking you and "kissing all over you"
> about the Quiii eggs as I was one of the first 2-3 people in this country
> have had those fish in my tanks despite the people in the AKA that I went
> with pictures and told them it was a new fish and their response was
> something like . . . "no way, Mike Jacobs couldn't possibly have a NEW
> SPECIES fish I haven't had yet!" So, that fish was very dear to me and I
> very much told you how much I appreciated the gift of the Quiii eggs. I
> tried my best to get a hatch but after 4-5 wettings and numerous attempts
> find eggs it was all to no avail. Incidentally, remember some of those
> members who you think I am backing blindly were the very people that at
> time treated me as though I had Aids.
> Secondly, Ken, you forgot a few things in your description of me. . . I am
> 1) fat 2) ugly 3) comb my hair funny 4) my mother dresses me funny and
> 5) I like red pop and of course you are none of those.
> As long as we are self anointing you could start giving away fish today
> spend the next 5 years doing such and you probably wouldn't catch up to me
> but it was, without question, a tremendously nice gesture on your part and
> the eggs were received and talked about at our club meetings by me in your
> regard on more than one occasion.
> Now, to the general intent of my previous note and all of the responses.
> one form or another, issues like this have come up every time there is an
> attempt by the AKA to advance forward the AKA's position in the
> effectiveness of e-mail, F&EL, JAKA, Web Sites. Just as soon as some
> volunteers their time to accomplish something there are people who would
> have done it differently and who don't understand why their methods or
> aren't integrated into the present AKA process for what ever they are
> talking about at the moment. This time the F&EL ran into a snag. I
> don't know what the snag was to be honestly. All I saw were 2-3-4 people
> Killitalk telling the volunteers in AKA that they were not doing it
> correctly and stories as to their wisdom were put on the Killitalk. Quite
> frankly that bothers the hell out of me. Please don't misunderstand me,
> most of you have, I am for change. Most of the time I am for BIG change.
> stood up in the BOT meeting in Syracuse, NY in . . . ohhhhh, I think it
> 1998-97, somewhere about then and gave my views about the coming of e-mail
> and web sites EVEREYTHING computer. I was on every side, and still am, on
> computer and e-mail and how it will help the AKA or whatever organization
> with which you are acquainted. After I stood up in that BOT meeting and
> said my 3 minute mouthful I could feel the silence behind me and I was
> afraid to turn around as I was sure there was 100 rifles pointed right at
> heart . . . it was not the popular attitude then I was effectively
> committing suicide at that moment. I went up to my room and spent the next
> hours trying to figure out what was wrong with what I had just done. It
> very simple .. . I was a new comer to this AKA group and they 1) didn't
> me 2) they didn't know as much about computers as I did 3) 70+% of them
> didn't have computers and 90% of them swore they would never have one of
> those contraptions 4) It was their club and I was a new comer and
> quite frankly get to know and contribute some volunteer some time, energy
> and experience to their club before I insisted on anything . . . Mind you
> was correct! You and all of those people that leveled their eye's at my
> heart that day, if they even remember (I do!!!!!!!), will tell you I was
> right but clubs and people do not move quickly and to expect so is, in my
> opinion is silly!
> Now, Ken & Kevin, this is not Microsoft or IBM, or Ford or any other big
> company you want to insert into those spots . . . people get paid to move
> quickly! They get paid a lot of money to think and move the company
> quickly! The AKA volunteers are paid nothing and it is my feeling is that
> Killitalk should have a minimum of talk about negative political ideas
> it simply knocks the people involved. I did not say political talk should
> be eliminated as both of you interpreted, I think, but all of this F&EL is
> really, as was mentioned by some, a Katrina in a teapot . . . my version.
> am 100% sure that the volunteers in the F&EL will get the glitches out of
> the system. I have NO DOUBTS about that! Yet all I have been reading for
> the last 3-4-5 days is the B&EL and the PROBLEMS and how "If it were me I
> would . . . XYZABC!" Then make it you or relax and see if the volunteers
> straighten this all out. I see a simple fix to it all too but why would I
> go on Killitalk and indicate there are better ways and give the impression
> that everyone is screwing up and all needs to be changed. You can deny my
> last sentence if you wish but I have talked . . . on the personally . . .
> mouth . . . the old fashion way . . . with some people in the AKA thay
> believe that way I do but won't speak up.
> Do you really, really think that Barry and Tom and whomever else is
> in the B&LE really want to favor a few over another bunch? Do you really
> believe that? If not the e-mail them personally and offer to help them
> the situation . . . don't bad-mouth volunteers on Killitalk and expect
> to react . . . jump.
> I have been the past president of the Tampa Bay Aquarium Society for years
> (3 I think) . . . and v-president for several other years (2 I think) and
> the BOD for several other years (3-4 I think) and the web master for 4-5-6
> years (not the last 3-4 years) www.tbas1.com <http://www.tbas1.com/> and
> editor of the newsletter for the last . . . ohhhhhh let me think, 10-11
> years . . . that was not a slip . . . 10-11 years . . . every month with
> months off for the summer. I was president and v-president and all of
> things and web master and bulletin editor all at the same time. I am
> presently, at the same time as editor of the TBAS bulletin the president
> the Coastal Aquarium Society and web master of their web site . . .
> www.coastalaquariumsociety.com <http://www.coastalaquariumsociety.com/> .
> I have taken part in putting on the AKA convention in 2000 and 20006 . . .
> the computers and the AKA Convention Bulletin. And by the way the web
> of the SKS is mine . . . www.sks.aka.org <http://www.sks.aka.org/> . In
> addition I work 40 hours a week at a 37 year job. I say this garbage NOT
> get applause or anything of the sort but just to indicate to you the
> for my overall dislike of people who want things changed but don't want to
> do or help or volunteer or get elected. The only thing that moves is
> mind and their mouth and their fingers on the computer. Some . . . no,
> of the ides you folks come up with are very valid and good and have more
> than some merit! Fine, but your method of presenting your ideas are
> go to Killitalk and tell people and expect change. I think that is what I
> call indicative of the "electron generation" . . . of which you can now
> that I am actually a part of despite my aging fat, ugly 61 year old body!
> Lastly I would like to tell you a short story from the 2006 AKA Convention
> in Tampa, Fl. I was at the computer (where else) and someone came up with
> bag of fish in their hand and had a problem with something about the name
> a fish either being auctioned or in the Saturday sale or something . . .
> anyway, the person said the fish was possibly miss-named. I apologized a
> bunch and took the fish and assured them I would make every attempt to get
> it correct. The response was "Well, you guys need to be more careful at
> conventions like this one!" I looked the person in the eye directly and
> sternly and said well, you know not everyone in our club knows all of the
> fish in the world of killifish. The response was "Well, if I were in
> I wouldn't put anyone in charge of anything if they didn't know what they
> were doing!" I asked the person if they had ever put on an AKA
> . . . the response was, I swear to GOD . . . "NO, too much work!" I
> promptly told the person to go to hell!" I suspect I lost a friend! True
> I am for everything new for clubs, I am for listening to everyone about
> everything but yes . . . I volunteer groups . . . you cannot expect people
> to react like they probably should at Microsoft, or IBM or now APPLE . . .
> :-)! Ken . . . Kevin . . . are you changing to APPLE??? I think you
> better! Just an opinion . . . might be the way of the future you know . .
> you don't want to be caught with your shorts down!
> You all need you re-read me and try to re-understand me. Or, I guess just
> blow me off! That might be best after all.
> Sorry for the verbosity folks . . . I will climb down now!
> Southern Apistos: <http://www.southernapistos.com/>
> Tampabay Aquarium Society: <http://www.tbas1.com/> www.tbas1.com
> Suncoast Killifish Society: <http://www.sks.aka.org>
> <http://www.sks.aka.orgCoastal> www.sks.aka.org
> Coastal Aquarium Society: <http://www.coastalaquariumsociety.com>
> Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9.
> Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/
> Modify your subscription at
Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9.
Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/
Modify your subscription at http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk