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Re: [Killietalk] The Modern AKA
CCarlile at AOL_com
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ccarlile at aol_com
Doesn't capital letters make them different?
Jim Graham
Hastings MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Combs" <ken_combs at sbcglobal.net>
To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] The Modern AKA
> Wright wrote:
>>>I'm sure that Rob's limited literary skills have allowed
>>>him to mis-interpret some of the gentle joshing we engage in here. That
>>>is regrettable, but perhaps inevitable.
>
> That is indeed truly regretable Wright, but whats worse is someone with Rob's "EXACT
> EMAIL ADDRESS" is impersonating a "english speaking version" of him...go figure
>
> http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/html/guestbook_2002.htm
>
> would some kind soul, please "translate" this to him...heck if you do a search for
> ccarlile at aol_com, this same sinister perpetrator is comiting "Identity theft" all over
> cyberspace...My Gawd, its awfull
>
> KC
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Wright Huntley <whuntley at verizon_net>
> To: apistomaster at excite_com; killifish discussion list <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2007 3:15:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] The Modern AKA
>
>
> apistomaster at excite_com wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,Ken, I think that you did a good summation of the current state of the
>> killiefish hobby and organization.I do miss the good old days (circa 1968) when the AKA
>> was much more informal but everything evolves and the internet has done more and done
>> it faster than had we staye in the old model.There are definitely some problems that
>> electronic anononymity brings out. Most pointedly, hositilty that was never present in
>> the old days. Unfortunately, some otherwise good people turn bad when they can wear a
>> "hood" real or electronic.This actually has been studied and a book recently published
>> on this subject..Fortunately there is the flipside and ease of communications has
>> caused many e-friendships to develop, especially within an organization like the
>> AKA.Larry Waybright
>>
>>
> I partially agree, Larry. Hostility sometimes is easier to display when
> some level of anonymity is available. OTOH, the AKA I discovered on
> returning to killies around the end of the '80s was overloaded with
> acrimony, and the Usenet groups were rather placid and calm, by
> comparison. One of the very first specialized mail lists was
> killies at mejac_.. It was a good resource for newbies. Email was new and I
> don't think the web had been invented yet. I ran (and moderated)
> bulletin boards back in the late '70s and early '80s that were most
> gentle and cordial, too.
>
> It is mostly a cultural thing. We had some incredible jerks in BAKA,
> back then. Their main aim seemed to be to drive out anyone but their
> little band of hero worshipers. Feuding with AKA was raised to a real
> art form. Foul language in front of a minister's teen daughters,
> insulting orientals, using club money for personal purposes, and
> deliberate lies and deception were the rule. Few killifolk from the SF
> Bay Area of that time will have the least bit of trouble defining whom
> the culprits were. Local meetings made killietalk seem like the soul of
> gentility, by comparison.
>
> We have grown well past a lot of that, now, and killietalk is pretty
> sane and cordial, for the most part (thanks to some skillful
> moderation).
> The part of Ken's post that I felt was most important had to do with the
> distribution mechanisms that have evolved.
>
> I have reached a point where I consider any commercial import as not
> worth the effort, if it hasn't been in the hobby for 5 or more
> generations. Killies do not lend themselves to commercial collection,
> because they are from small waters, hence reproductively isolated.
> Exporters simply can't/don't prevent introduction of unrelated females,
> so most of the "CI 'xx" collections don't make it past about 2-4
> generations. This, IMHO, is a serious problem that AKA, DKG, KFN, et al,
> should have addressed and fixed many years ago. As a minimum, they could
> have spotted and blacklisted those unscrupulous exporters who *always*
> deliberately send wrong females to limit competition.
>
> Aquabid has popped up outside the glacial BOT processes of AKA, and is a
> fait accompli at this point. My opinion is that AKA should just support
> Aquabid in areas where it can make a useful contribution. Nomenclature
> and COE (for AKA members) are places where AKA could help this
> marketplace perform better for the hobby. Personally, I love the F&E
> listings in the BNL, but feel it probably has outlived its original
> purposes. Fish trade has evolved to local club auctions, shows and
> conventions and Aquabid. We no longer live in an era where no fish at
> all could be obtained in most areas of the country. [See Barry's new map
> of local clubs at the aka site -- *http://tinyurl.com/yuoo6v*]
>
> New and Rare has been a mystery to me for the last 20+ years. I have
> never seen a statement of either objectives or methods that made any
> sense whatsoever. The few fish I got from it did not survive shipping,
> so I'm personally not sure if it really is worth the bother. I have a
> short list of about 4 collections that I'll locate at WCW, Convention,
> or by buying a few beers at either and finding who still has them. I'm
> quite willing to see the old N&R fade away as a monumental eater of
> volunteer effort for minimal gain to the hobby.
>
> These observations are just my personal opinions. [As you can tell, I'm
> not running for a BOT position and am comfortable about that. :-D ]
>
> Wright
>
> --
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>
> "I find it necessary to remind myself firmly that the customs of my own tribe are not
> the laws of nature." Robert A Heinlein
>
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