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Re: [Killietalk] The Modern AKA
Wright wrote:
>>I'm sure that Rob's limited literary skills have allowed
>>him to mis-interpret some of the gentle joshing we engage in here. That
>>is regrettable, but perhaps inevitable.
That is indeed truly regretable Wright, but whats worse is someone with Rob's "EXACT EMAIL ADDRESS" is impersonating a "english speaking version" of him...go figure
http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/html/guestbook_2002.htm
would some kind soul, please "translate" this to him...heck if you do a search for ccarlile at aol_com, this same sinister perpetrator is comiting "Identity theft" all over cyberspace...My Gawd, its awfull
KC
----- Original Message ----
From: Wright Huntley <whuntley at verizon_net>
To: apistomaster at excite_com; killifish discussion list <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2007 3:15:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] The Modern AKA
apistomaster at excite_com wrote:
> Hello Everyone,Ken, I think that you did a good summation of the current state of the killiefish hobby and organization.I do miss the good old days (circa 1968) when the AKA was much more informal but everything evolves and the internet has done more and done it faster than had we staye in the old model.There are definitely some problems that electronic anononymity brings out. Most pointedly, hositilty that was never present in the old days. Unfortunately, some otherwise good people turn bad when they can wear a "hood" real or electronic.This actually has been studied and a book recently published on this subject..Fortunately there is the flipside and ease of communications has caused many e-friendships to develop, especially within an organization like the AKA.Larry Waybright
>
>
I partially agree, Larry. Hostility sometimes is easier to display when
some level of anonymity is available. OTOH, the AKA I discovered on
returning to killies around the end of the '80s was overloaded with
acrimony, and the Usenet groups were rather placid and calm, by
comparison. One of the very first specialized mail lists was
killies at mejac_.. It was a good resource for newbies. Email was new and I
don't think the web had been invented yet. I ran (and moderated)
bulletin boards back in the late '70s and early '80s that were most
gentle and cordial, too.
It is mostly a cultural thing. We had some incredible jerks in BAKA,
back then. Their main aim seemed to be to drive out anyone but their
little band of hero worshipers. Feuding with AKA was raised to a real
art form. Foul language in front of a minister's teen daughters,
insulting orientals, using club money for personal purposes, and
deliberate lies and deception were the rule. Few killifolk from the SF
Bay Area of that time will have the least bit of trouble defining whom
the culprits were. Local meetings made killietalk seem like the soul of
gentility, by comparison.
We have grown well past a lot of that, now, and killietalk is pretty
sane and cordial, for the most part (thanks to some skillful
moderation).
The part of Ken's post that I felt was most important had to do with the
distribution mechanisms that have evolved.
I have reached a point where I consider any commercial import as not
worth the effort, if it hasn't been in the hobby for 5 or more
generations. Killies do not lend themselves to commercial collection,
because they are from small waters, hence reproductively isolated.
Exporters simply can't/don't prevent introduction of unrelated females,
so most of the "CI 'xx" collections don't make it past about 2-4
generations. This, IMHO, is a serious problem that AKA, DKG, KFN, et al,
should have addressed and fixed many years ago. As a minimum, they could
have spotted and blacklisted those unscrupulous exporters who *always*
deliberately send wrong females to limit competition.
Aquabid has popped up outside the glacial BOT processes of AKA, and is a
fait accompli at this point. My opinion is that AKA should just support
Aquabid in areas where it can make a useful contribution. Nomenclature
and COE (for AKA members) are places where AKA could help this
marketplace perform better for the hobby. Personally, I love the F&E
listings in the BNL, but feel it probably has outlived its original
purposes. Fish trade has evolved to local club auctions, shows and
conventions and Aquabid. We no longer live in an era where no fish at
all could be obtained in most areas of the country. [See Barry's new map
of local clubs at the aka site -- *http://tinyurl.com/yuoo6v*]
New and Rare has been a mystery to me for the last 20+ years. I have
never seen a statement of either objectives or methods that made any
sense whatsoever. The few fish I got from it did not survive shipping,
so I'm personally not sure if it really is worth the bother. I have a
short list of about 4 collections that I'll locate at WCW, Convention,
or by buying a few beers at either and finding who still has them. I'm
quite willing to see the old N&R fade away as a monumental eater of
volunteer effort for minimal gain to the hobby.
These observations are just my personal opinions. [As you can tell, I'm
not running for a BOT position and am comfortable about that. :-D ]
Wright
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