Re: [Killietalk] Killietalk Digest, Vol 41, Issue 19

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 If we use the demineralized water for coffee and the like I'm sure that not only will you get very good coffee from less beans but that the coffee extract easily remineralizes the water enough that a body would not suffer osmotic shocks of any kind. To expect a reduced rate of kidney stones seems to be a bit much since the total amount of minerals supplied by a rounded diet will assure a homestatic level of minerals is pretty much assured. If all your water intake were made up of demineralized water not just coffee that you would still be fine in your overall mineral intake. The coffee made from pure water carries only the flavors and body of the coffee with nothing else present that would detract from the reaching the full potential of the coffee being used. I find the end results superior to tapwater.30 years of living in Seattle and a daughter who has worked for Starbucks ever since graduating from highschool has kept me in the ranks of the serious coffee connisouirs.I 
have come close to experiementing with coffee as a blackwater extract for some of my fish but I already find killies to be such superjumpers that I dread what they would do on caffiene.Larry Waybright--- On Sat 12/16, < killietalk-request at aka_org > wrote:From: [mailto: killietalk-request at aka_org]To: killietalk at aka_orgDate: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:00:01 -0500Subject: Killietalk Digest, Vol 41, Issue 19Send Killietalk mailing list submissions tokillietalk at aka_orgTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visithttp://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo/killietalkor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' tokillietalk-request at aka_orgYou can reach the person managing the list atkillietalk-owner at aka_orgWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Killietalk digest..."Today's Topics:1. RO Water questions (Ken)2. Re: RO Water questions (LeeH920226 at aol_com)3. Re: RO Water questions (Scott Davis)4. Re: RO Water question!
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(Bill Shenefelt)5. Re: RO Water questions (Bill Shenefelt)6. Re: RO Water questions (Kenneth Combs)7. Re: RO Water questions inline meter (Bill Shenefelt)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:43:40 -0500From: "Ken" Subject: [Killietalk] RO Water questionsTo: "'killifish discussion list'" While I'm waiting on my replacement probe(s) for my Hanna(s), thought I'dbounce a few questions off the list....... I thought someone on this list said they used the RO waste water forreplenishing their flow thru system (Lee perhaps?)...anyway, the fish arelaying just fine in my tap (pH 6.9=7.0, TDS about 120-160ish)...justconcerned if the RO waste will bump up the hardness to the point of loweringegg production ...I got a 50GPH RO/DI, no clue what the waste-to-RO water %is, tentatively I'm considering using the waste water in a 400galrecirculation sys.... (the RO water itself, is going to be used for hatchingcongicum, et 
that seem to "partially" develop but never hatch, and also forsome mimbon that seem to only produce 1-3 eggs/day)...I also noticed that it looks like the "waste water" occurs after it haspassed through the carbon block...from the looks of it, the 4 stage unitgoes: sediment filter-->carbon-->RO membrane-->DI unit ...question being; isthe waste water already de-chlorinated? (this is one of the Coralife 4stageunits that were on sale at Big Al's)...also, who is using what to "restore" their RO?; see link below: (link isprobably truncated, copy 2nd line)...wondering which product is mosteffective/cost effectivehttp://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/NavResults.cfm?N=2004+113777...another question is: I bought a couple of those Coralife float switches,leaky/cheap jokers to say the least, but anyway, what irks me is the factthat the unit still produces waste water even when the float shuts off ROproduction...what gives? Is this the float switches or is this normal?...and BTW!
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is there anyway to make RO/DI drinkable?KCJoin the AKA at http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9.Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/Modify your subscription athttp://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk------------------------------Message: 2Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:20:48 ESTFrom: LeeH920226 at aol_comSubject: Re: [Killietalk] RO Water questionsTo: killietalk at aka_orgI use the "waste" water for most of my killies. With my tap water that means I bump up the TDS from 200 to 220 ppm at the most. The tap water varies from 180 to 240 depending on how much rain we have. The carbon block will take out the chlorine, the RO membrane does not. If the carbon is before the membrane then both exit streams will be dechlorinated until the carbon is saturated. I blend back with the waste water to restore an intermediate TDS for those few fish that need 80 ppm or so.Lee HarperMedia PA------------------------------Message: 3Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 23:28:11 
-0800 (PST)From: Scott Davis Subject: Re: [Killietalk] RO Water questionsTo: killifish discussion list ...and BTW, is there anyway to make RO/DI drinkable?Serve it really, really cold. It also makes great ice cubes. If you use it for coffee, use less coffee. The RO is so chemically active you may only have to use 1/2 the coffee.Drinking RO, would people be less vulnerable to having kidney stones and the like?All the best...------------------------------Message: 4Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:31:43 -0500From: "Bill Shenefelt" Subject: Re: [Killietalk] RO Water questionsTo: "killifish discussion list" First, the waste water did pass thru the carbon block filter so unless the carbon filter insert is dead, the water is dechlorinated. Second it is probably roughly a 5 to 1 ratio waste to RO in an as shipped unit so if your water from the tap is about 150 ppm TDS, the waste is 30 ppm higher than your tap (you took 150 out of a gallon and diluted it with 5 gal of tap). This is a ROUGH 
approximation but close enough for government work. Thus the waste is probably still soft enough for many Fundulopanchax. If your tap is adequate for most fish (meaning there are not some ground water or water company additives other than what might be removed by the carbon filter that wipes out your fish or stains your tanks) you can use it to raise the TDS of your RO. Here is what I am doing. Bought an inline TDS meter. Got three "T"s and a plastic valve. Two "T"s are in the RO out line. The T closest to the RO collection container has the meter probe. The T closest to the RO unit is connected thru a valve to a T in the waste line. I can thus valve waste into the RO line and measure the impact of the valve setting. To get about 60 ppm TDS, the valve is opened until I read 60 on the inline meter. This gives me about 2/3 RO and 1/3 waste since my water runs about 180 out of the tap effectively raising by 50% my usable RO output and minimizing the need for RO right. Also sinc!
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the RO storage fills twice as fast, I cut water usage by 30%. I can adjust the valve to get whatever TDS content I want in the RO collection container that way. Gets it quicker too.Bill Shenefelthttp://sheneskillies.com ------------------------------Message: 5Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 03:33:19 -0500From: "Bill Shenefelt" Subject: Re: [Killietalk] RO Water questionsTo: "killifish discussion list" Put it in a glass. Great for coffee.Bill Shenefelthttp://sheneskillies.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Davis" To: "killifish discussion list" Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:28 AMSubject: Re: [Killietalk] RO Water questions> ...and BTW, is there anyway to make RO/DI drinkable?>> Serve it really, really cold. It also makes great ice cubes. If you use it > for coffee, use less coffee. The RO is so chemically active you may only > have to use 1/2 the coffee.>> Drinking RO, would people be less vulnerable to having kidney stones and > the 
like?>> All the best...> Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9.> Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/> Modify your subscription at > http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk> ------------------------------Message: 6Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 02:57:48 -0800 (PST)From: Kenneth Combs Subject: Re: [Killietalk] RO Water questionsTo: killifish discussion list A wives tale I was always told was not to drink "distilled water", premise being it allegedly is too rough on the digestive tract...I realize RO/DI isn't "exactly" the same, but wondering if it effectivley is ...eitherway I can see the coffee and/or ice use for it being safe enough...wonder if adding a lil epsom salt or something would make it less "corrosive" ? (if the alleged "corrosive" danger is real)...BTW Bill, where did you get those inline TDS thingies from?...I recall Spectra Pure near ASU had some kinda "built in" device for thier units, sam!
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thing? ...also, is there anyway to salvage those eggs that have the tail sticking out? some species seem really prone to it...dunno if it's the temp related or what, but seems a lil peat water helps..so perhaps its a pH related or water hardness thing...same goes for those eggs that develope into black mush balls...my Epi infraciatus & SJO do this a lot ...seems force hatching does no good, and the eggs "appear" to be alive for a long time as they almost never fungus...odd...KC----- Original Message ----From: Scott Davis To: killifish discussion list Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:28:11 AMSubject: Re: [Killietalk] RO Water questions...and BTW, is there anyway to make RO/DI drinkable?Serve it really, really cold. It also makes great ice cubes. If you use it for coffee, use less coffee. The RO is so chemically active you may only have to use 1/2 the coffee.Drinking RO, would people be less vulnerable to having kidney stones and the like?All the best...Join the AKA at 
http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9.Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/Modify your subscription at http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk------------------------------Message: 7Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:52:36 -0500From: "Bill Shenefelt" Subject: Re: [Killietalk] RO Water questions inline meterTo: "killifish discussion list" Not sure about Spectrpure unit. I got mine inline meter at:http://theh2oguru.zoovy.com/product/DM-1located in Ft. Pierce, Florida.phone number: 772-461-0256Outfit was airwaterice.com ; now at a different internet address I guess.Bill Shenefelthttp://sheneskillies.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Combs" > ...BTW Bill, where did you get those inline TDS thingies from?...I recall > Spectra Pure near ASU had some kinda "built in" device for thier units, > same thing? ...------------------------------To join the AKA see http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9Archives are at 
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