Lee, I have to agree that any pair of killies should get atleast $4. Try the pet shops and aquabid and pay as much as $37.95 on Dr. Foster and Smith on the net. Ed Brandt Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9. Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/ Modify your subscription at http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk