Re: [Killietalk] Killietalk Digest J.Moss and Hydra problems

["wusong" <wusong at drunkenbastards_com>]

Java moss most definitely does NOT do well in a silty environment.  some shrimp or some Physa will keep it clean enough, usually.

-Dave S.


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Robert Goldstein" <rgoldstein at rjgacarolina_com>
Reply-To: killifish discussion list <killietalk at aka_org>
Date:  Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:38:19 -0500

>If you're trying to kill the hydra with copper, that could be killing or 
>stifling your java moss. So could escess salt, perhaps with the bbs.  The 
>mention of dirt magnets suggests too much stuff is being put in the tank. 
>There shouldn't be much dirt in java moss if it's growing, but only below 
>it. Too much aeration could be stirring up mulm and clogging the moss so it 
>can't respirate. Just some thoughts. Low intensity fluorescents could help 
>give it a push.  - Bob G.
>
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>> I have been unable to grow Java Moss in recent years. It used to be my old 
>> reliable and grew well enough to give away the stuff by the dishpan full. 
>> It grew well in low to relatively high light levels. Now, all my starts 
>> become dirt magnets that rarely show new growth and eventully has to be 
>> thrown out. I have had starts that were in great shape and actively 
>> growing fail to do so in my tanks. I have tried buying in in bulk, once 5 
>> lbs worth and it soon turned brown and disintegrated. This is really 
>> putting a crimp in my style of fish breeding because there are few equals 
>> to Java moss that is thriving. Of course for group spawning killie set ups 
>> it is the plant par excellance but it is very useful breeding tetras and 
>> general fry grow out tanks. I have been at this hobby for more than 40 
>> years but I have only had problems with Java Moss during the last 5 years. 
>> I once thought I knew all I needed to know about culturing Java Moss but 
>> for now, it is a mystery without any clues.
>> No one can help me. It still grows for them in the same source of water as 
>> mine and under every conceivable light source.The troubles I have now with 
>> growing Java moss and a horrible plague of hydra( green Hydra) is driving 
>> me towards a sterile form of fish breeding an fry raising. I have to be 
>> able to chlorox everything that goes into a breeding set up in order to 
>> not have to have a carpet of hydra constantly stinging the fry until they 
>> become too weak to out grow the threat. I also went most of my fish 
>> keeping life feeding bbs tofry in planted tanks and knew hydra only 
>> academically. It is a plague in my fish room and it takes time toconvert 
>> everything over to  sterile style setups and in the meanwhile cross 
>> contamination into the sterile tanks is even a problem because it takes 
>> absolutely perfect lab techniques to prevent their reintroduction to the 
>> nuked tanks. This is not the kind of fish breeding I like to practice. A 
>> more natural and organic aquarium ecosystem is more
>> pleasing and noormally more productive for me. The growing plants help 
>> maintain water quality, usually help provide early food organisms for 
>> newly hatched fry. I feel like I'm whining but whatever happened to the 
>> good old days? I'm not asking for recommendations as I am aware of all the 
>> anti-hydra protocols and I did not just forget how  to grow Java Moss. I 
>> can do things lab style, indeed I must, in order to sustain fish 
>> production levels. It is both my hobby and source of supplemental income. 
>> I'm prematurely retired due to a disability. I raise discus, Corys, 
>> Loricaridids, dwarf cichlids,HM Bettas, some Characins, lately I have begn 
>> to try the coral red pencils and Black morpho Tetra, and unfortunately 
>> fewer killies than I would like. My fishroom just gets too hot in the 
>> summer for most killies and I have had to adapt by keeping fishes that I 
>> can maintain and breed throughout the hotter months.Larry Waybright--- On 
>> Tue 11/07, < killietalk-request at aka_org > wrote:From!
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>> Harrison's)2. Re: Stringy Mosses (ccarlile at aol_com)3. Re: java moss 
>> (ROBERT ELLERMANN)4. Re: java moss (Joseph S.)5. Re: java moss (George 
>> & Melanie Caruso)6. Re: Results of the 2006 WAKO 26th Annual 
>> Egg-Laying ToothcarpJamboree (YoHoHo)7. Re: java moss (wusong)8. Looking 
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>> 1Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:49:24 -0600From: "The Harrison's" Subject: 
>> [Killietalk] Stringy MossesTo: 
>> killietalk at aka_orghttp://www.hot.jpg.pl/1253 through 1248A comparison 
>> between Singapore Moss (Vesicularia dubyana), Java Moss (Taxiphyllum 
>> barbieri), and the Stringy Moss (Leptodictyum riparium):found at 
>> http://www.aquamoss.net/Stringy-Moss/Stringy-Moss.htmBryophytes which 
>> never produce flowers or seeds. The mosses share a unique life cycle in 
>> having a first generation of dominant gametophyte. The gametophyte forms 
>> the green leafy structure we ordinarily associate with moss. Mosses are 
>> essentially land plants, and they depend on a film of water for the male 
>> cell (spermatozoid) to be transported to the female cell, both which are 
>> produced on the gametophyte. When conditions are right, the next 
>> generation, the sporophyte or spore-bearing structure is grown. The 
>> sporophyte is typically a capsul!
>> e
>> growing on the end of a stalk called the seta. The sporophyte . . 
>> .etc.Check out the sites and Google Stringy mossIt is the Sporophyte which 
>> is used to differentiate the various species. If your moss produces well 
>> above the water, it might produce these Sporophyte structures (flowers) 
>> and it is possible to identify your moss. Otherwise it is almost 
>> impossible to distinguish among them.Take a look at 
>> http://www.aquamoss.net it will change your mind about "Java 
>> Moss"-- }}<{{{?> <*{{(((>{{Change as much water as often as 
>> you can!Charles Harrison in St 
>> Louishttp://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/}}<{{{?> }}<{{{?>------------------------------Message: 
>> 2Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:13:33 -0500From: ccarlile at aol_comSubject: Re: 
>> [Killietalk] Stringy MossesTo: killietalk at aka_orgMuch interesting. I no 
>> ever know Singapore Moss. I learn from here.Rob -----Original 
>> Message-----From: csharrison at inkmaker_netTo: killietalk at aka_orgSent: Mon, 
>> 6 Nov 2006 1:49 PMSubject: [Killietalk]
>> Stringy Mosseshttp://www.hot.jpg.pl/1253 through 1248A comparison between 
>> Singapore Moss (Vesicularia dubyana), Java Moss (Taxiphyllum barbieri), 
>> and the Stringy Moss (Leptodictyum riparium):found at 
>> http://www.aquamoss.net/Stringy-Moss/Stringy-Moss.htmBryophytes which 
>> never produce flowers or seeds. The mosses share a unique life cycle in 
>> having a first generation of dominant gametophyte. The gametophyte forms 
>> the green leafy structure we ordinarily associate with moss. Mosses are 
>> essentially land plants, and they depend on a film of water for the male 
>> cell (spermatozoid) to be transported to the female cell, both which are 
>> produced on the gametophyte. When conditions are right, the next 
>> generation, the sporophyte or spore-bearing structure is grown. The 
>> sporophyte is typically a capsule growing on the end of a stalk called the 
>> seta. The sporophyte . . .etc.Check out the sites and Google Stringy 
>> mossIt is the Sporophyte which is used to differentiate the various 
>> species. If
>> your moss produces well above the water, it might produce these Sporophyte 
>> structures (flowers) and it is possible to identify your moss. Otherwise 
>> it is almost impossible to distinguish among them.Take a look at 
>> http://www.aquamoss.net it will change your mind about "Java 
>> Moss"-- }}<{{{?> <*{{(((>{{Change as much water as often as 
>> you can!Charles Harrison in St 
>> Louishttp://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/}}<{{{?> }}<{{{?>Join the AKA 
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>> 2006 16:21:01 -0800 (PST)From: ROBERT ELLERMANN
>> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] java mossTo: killifish discussion list Hi,JM 
>> hates heavy fish feeding, at least in my experience. I am a heavy feeder 
>> and in such tanks the JM dies. I think it prefers softer slightly acid 
>> water but have seen it grow for some in somewhat hard alkaline water. I 
>> think CO2 injection is the key for those who cannot grow it like a weed --  
>> me! It seems to be a feast or famine type plant.BobbyJohn Wubbolt 
>> wrote:Hello GaryI have grown Java Moss in both soft and hard water. It 
>> does seem togrow better for me in water that is slightly alkaline. Best 
>> growth ihad was in a 55 gallon tank set up for some Xiphophorus 
>> Nezzies...Tank was lit with a shop light on 10 hrs a day and temps were 
>> about 75Fmost of the time. I also was growing Watersprite on the surface 
>> so thatcut down the intensity of the lights. In your montreal water 
>> itshould grow really well with medium light. A friend of mine grew hisin 
>> 20 gallon longs with CO? injection and the single bulb hood
>> thatcovers most 20longs. His java moss was so lush and green it 
>> evenflowered for him, which i have never seen before or since. Good 
>> luck!!JohnJoin the AKA at 
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>> 4Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:41:30 -0800From: "Joseph S." Subject: Re: 
>> [Killietalk] java mossTo: "killifish discussion list" I've had it grow in 
>> places where it seems to get practically no lightwhatsoever. Little 
>> sterilite boxes with dark lids at the bottom of myrack, getting ambient 
>> roomlight at most. Actually, it does quite wellthere as it doesn't have to 
>> worry about algae competing with it. Istore any extra into a plastic 
>> "dishpan" with a few old spawning mops,snails who receive my mercy, and 
>> scuds. While some of it may turnbrown it seldom actually dies...and 
>> promptly gets back up and growswhen place!
>> d
>> in a lighted tank.------------------------------Message: 5Date: Tue, 7 Nov 
>> 2006 07:47:18 -0500From: "George & Melanie Caruso" Subject: Re: 
>> [Killietalk] java mossTo: "killifish discussion list" In my flo-thru 
>> system for my fry I use the plastic shoe boxes. In each box I put a few 
>> snails and a piece of Java Moss. After a few weeks in most of the boxes 
>> the Java Moss has grown to the point where I have to remove some of it. 
>> The only light I have in my fish room are two 60 watt light bulbs and a 
>> small basement window.George----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph S." 
>> To: "killifish discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 11:41 
>> PMSubject: Re: [Killietalk] java moss> I've had it grow in places where 
>> it seems to get practically no light> whatsoever. Little sterilite 
>> boxes with dark lids at the bottom of my> rack, getting ambient 
>> roomlight at most. Actually, it does quite well> there as it doesn't 
>> have to worry about algae competing with it. I> store any
>> extra into a plastic "dishpan" with a few old spawning mops,> snails 
>> who receive my mercy, and scuds. While some of it may turn> brown it 
>> seldom actually dies...and promptly gets back up and grows> when placed 
>> in a lighted tank.> Join the AKA at 
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>> 7 Nov 2006 06:59:09 -0600From: "YoHoHo" Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Results 
>> of the 2006 WAKO 26th AnnualEgg-Laying Toothcarp JamboreeTo: The 2006 WAKO 
>> 26th Annual Egg-Laying Toothcarp Jamboree came to a close with a huge 
>> auction of some of the best killies to be seen anywhere. Dave Ramsey 
>> showed
>> some great movies of the bedroom antics of numerous species, followed by a 
>> serious "down-south" lesson on Live Foods, Even If They Are Dead!In 
>> addition to our annual WAKO's Best of Show Ed Warner Award, created by 
>> WAKO member Matt Hirvonen, a totally new award was initiated - The Peoples 
>> Choice Award. The winner received the stunningly beautiful WAKO People's 
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>> show can be found on the WAKO website, http://www.aka.org/wako, and the 
>> results of the show can be found at 
>> http://www.aka.org/wako/2006results.pdf ------------------------------Message: 
>> 7Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:40:08 -0600From: "wusong" Subject: Re: 
>> [Killietalk] java mossTo: I've found it does well in almost any lighting 
>> conditions, from just-enough-to-see-it to bright 
>> more-than-I-should-really-be-using CF. However, a change in the lighting 
>> seems to cause it some trouble; I'll usually see a slight die-off if the 
>> light gets significantly brighter
>> or darker. This is brought to an extreme with a moss we have where I work 
>> (which I've long assumed to simply be a different clone of Java moss, but 
>> I now suspect may be Taiwan moss). If I bring some of that home, even in 
>> the system water from the lab, most of the newer growth dies and it is 
>> weeks before I start seeing growth. I find this variety of moss to be much 
>> less tolerant of low light, as well. Dave S. 
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