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Re: [Killietalk] Killietalk Digest J.Moss and Hydra problems
If you're trying to kill the hydra with copper, that could be killing or
stifling your java moss. So could escess salt, perhaps with the bbs. The
mention of dirt magnets suggests too much stuff is being put in the tank.
There shouldn't be much dirt in java moss if it's growing, but only below
it. Too much aeration could be stirring up mulm and clogging the moss so it
can't respirate. Just some thoughts. Low intensity fluorescents could help
give it a push. - Bob G.
----- Original Message -----
From: <apistomaster at excite_com>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Killietalk Digest J.Moss and Hydra problems
> I have been unable to grow Java Moss in recent years. It used to be my old
> reliable and grew well enough to give away the stuff by the dishpan full.
> It grew well in low to relatively high light levels. Now, all my starts
> become dirt magnets that rarely show new growth and eventully has to be
> thrown out. I have had starts that were in great shape and actively
> growing fail to do so in my tanks. I have tried buying in in bulk, once 5
> lbs worth and it soon turned brown and disintegrated. This is really
> putting a crimp in my style of fish breeding because there are few equals
> to Java moss that is thriving. Of course for group spawning killie set ups
> it is the plant par excellance but it is very useful breeding tetras and
> general fry grow out tanks. I have been at this hobby for more than 40
> years but I have only had problems with Java Moss during the last 5 years.
> I once thought I knew all I needed to know about culturing Java Moss but
> for now, it is a mystery without any clues.
> No one can help me. It still grows for them in the same source of water as
> mine and under every conceivable light source.The troubles I have now with
> growing Java moss and a horrible plague of hydra( green Hydra) is driving
> me towards a sterile form of fish breeding an fry raising. I have to be
> able to chlorox everything that goes into a breeding set up in order to
> not have to have a carpet of hydra constantly stinging the fry until they
> become too weak to out grow the threat. I also went most of my fish
> keeping life feeding bbs tofry in planted tanks and knew hydra only
> academically. It is a plague in my fish room and it takes time toconvert
> everything over to sterile style setups and in the meanwhile cross
> contamination into the sterile tanks is even a problem because it takes
> absolutely perfect lab techniques to prevent their reintroduction to the
> nuked tanks. This is not the kind of fish breeding I like to practice. A
> more natural and organic aquarium ecosystem is more
> pleasing and noormally more productive for me. The growing plants help
> maintain water quality, usually help provide early food organisms for
> newly hatched fry. I feel like I'm whining but whatever happened to the
> good old days? I'm not asking for recommendations as I am aware of all the
> anti-hydra protocols and I did not just forget how to grow Java Moss. I
> can do things lab style, indeed I must, in order to sustain fish
> production levels. It is both my hobby and source of supplemental income.
> I'm prematurely retired due to a disability. I raise discus, Corys,
> Loricaridids, dwarf cichlids,HM Bettas, some Characins, lately I have begn
> to try the coral red pencils and Black morpho Tetra, and unfortunately
> fewer killies than I would like. My fishroom just gets too hot in the
> summer for most killies and I have had to adapt by keeping fishes that I
> can maintain and breed throughout the hotter months.Larry Waybright--- On
> Tue 11/07, < killietalk-request at aka_org > wrote:From!
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> Harrison's)2. Re: Stringy Mosses (ccarlile at aol_com)3. Re: java moss
> (ROBERT ELLERMANN)4. Re: java moss (Joseph S.)5. Re: java moss (George
> & Melanie Caruso)6. Re: Results of the 2006 WAKO 26th Annual
> Egg-Laying ToothcarpJamboree (YoHoHo)7. Re: java moss (wusong)8. Looking
> for Male A. elbert N'tui (Earl
> Blewett)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message:
> 1Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:49:24 -0600From: "The Harrison's" Subject:
> [Killietalk] Stringy MossesTo:
> killietalk at aka_orghttp://www.hot.jpg.pl/1253 through 1248A comparison
> between Singapore Moss (Vesicularia dubyana), Java Moss (Taxiphyllum
> barbieri), and the Stringy Moss (Leptodictyum riparium):found at
> http://www.aquamoss.net/Stringy-Moss/Stringy-Moss.htmBryophytes which
> never produce flowers or seeds. The mosses share a unique life cycle in
> having a first generation of dominant gametophyte. The gametophyte forms
> the green leafy structure we ordinarily associate with moss. Mosses are
> essentially land plants, and they depend on a film of water for the male
> cell (spermatozoid) to be transported to the female cell, both which are
> produced on the gametophyte. When conditions are right, the next
> generation, the sporophyte or spore-bearing structure is grown. The
> sporophyte is typically a capsul!
> e
> growing on the end of a stalk called the seta. The sporophyte . .
> .etc.Check out the sites and Google Stringy mossIt is the Sporophyte which
> is used to differentiate the various species. If your moss produces well
> above the water, it might produce these Sporophyte structures (flowers)
> and it is possible to identify your moss. Otherwise it is almost
> impossible to distinguish among them.Take a look at
> http://www.aquamoss.net it will change your mind about "Java
> Moss"-- }}<{{{?> <*{{(((>{{Change as much water as often as
> you can!Charles Harrison in St
> Louishttp://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/}}<{{{?> }}<{{{?>------------------------------Message:
> 2Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:13:33 -0500From: ccarlile at aol_comSubject: Re:
> [Killietalk] Stringy MossesTo: killietalk at aka_orgMuch interesting. I no
> ever know Singapore Moss. I learn from here.Rob -----Original
> Message-----From: csharrison at inkmaker_netTo: killietalk at aka_orgSent: Mon,
> 6 Nov 2006 1:49 PMSubject: [Killietalk]
> Stringy Mosseshttp://www.hot.jpg.pl/1253 through 1248A comparison between
> Singapore Moss (Vesicularia dubyana), Java Moss (Taxiphyllum barbieri),
> and the Stringy Moss (Leptodictyum riparium):found at
> http://www.aquamoss.net/Stringy-Moss/Stringy-Moss.htmBryophytes which
> never produce flowers or seeds. The mosses share a unique life cycle in
> having a first generation of dominant gametophyte. The gametophyte forms
> the green leafy structure we ordinarily associate with moss. Mosses are
> essentially land plants, and they depend on a film of water for the male
> cell (spermatozoid) to be transported to the female cell, both which are
> produced on the gametophyte. When conditions are right, the next
> generation, the sporophyte or spore-bearing structure is grown. The
> sporophyte is typically a capsule growing on the end of a stalk called the
> seta. The sporophyte . . .etc.Check out the sites and Google Stringy
> mossIt is the Sporophyte which is used to differentiate the various
> species. If
> your moss produces well above the water, it might produce these Sporophyte
> structures (flowers) and it is possible to identify your moss. Otherwise
> it is almost impossible to distinguish among them.Take a look at
> http://www.aquamoss.net it will change your mind about "Java
> Moss"-- }}<{{{?> <*{{(((>{{Change as much water as often as
> you can!Charles Harrison in St
> Louishttp://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/}}<{{{?> }}<{{{?>Join the AKA
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> 2006 16:21:01 -0800 (PST)From: ROBERT ELLERMANN
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] java mossTo: killifish discussion list Hi,JM
> hates heavy fish feeding, at least in my experience. I am a heavy feeder
> and in such tanks the JM dies. I think it prefers softer slightly acid
> water but have seen it grow for some in somewhat hard alkaline water. I
> think CO2 injection is the key for those who cannot grow it like a weed --
> me! It seems to be a feast or famine type plant.BobbyJohn Wubbolt
> wrote:Hello GaryI have grown Java Moss in both soft and hard water. It
> does seem togrow better for me in water that is slightly alkaline. Best
> growth ihad was in a 55 gallon tank set up for some Xiphophorus
> Nezzies...Tank was lit with a shop light on 10 hrs a day and temps were
> about 75Fmost of the time. I also was growing Watersprite on the surface
> so thatcut down the intensity of the lights. In your montreal water
> itshould grow really well with medium light. A friend of mine grew hisin
> 20 gallon longs with CO? injection and the single bulb hood
> thatcovers most 20longs. His java moss was so lush and green it
> evenflowered for him, which i have never seen before or since. Good
> luck!!JohnJoin the AKA at
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> 4Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:41:30 -0800From: "Joseph S." Subject: Re:
> [Killietalk] java mossTo: "killifish discussion list" I've had it grow in
> places where it seems to get practically no lightwhatsoever. Little
> sterilite boxes with dark lids at the bottom of myrack, getting ambient
> roomlight at most. Actually, it does quite wellthere as it doesn't have to
> worry about algae competing with it. Istore any extra into a plastic
> "dishpan" with a few old spawning mops,snails who receive my mercy, and
> scuds. While some of it may turnbrown it seldom actually dies...and
> promptly gets back up and growswhen place!
> d
> in a lighted tank.------------------------------Message: 5Date: Tue, 7 Nov
> 2006 07:47:18 -0500From: "George & Melanie Caruso" Subject: Re:
> [Killietalk] java mossTo: "killifish discussion list" In my flo-thru
> system for my fry I use the plastic shoe boxes. In each box I put a few
> snails and a piece of Java Moss. After a few weeks in most of the boxes
> the Java Moss has grown to the point where I have to remove some of it.
> The only light I have in my fish room are two 60 watt light bulbs and a
> small basement window.George----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph S."
> To: "killifish discussion list" Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 11:41
> PMSubject: Re: [Killietalk] java moss> I've had it grow in places where
> it seems to get practically no light> whatsoever. Little sterilite
> boxes with dark lids at the bottom of my> rack, getting ambient
> roomlight at most. Actually, it does quite well> there as it doesn't
> have to worry about algae competing with it. I> store any
> extra into a plastic "dishpan" with a few old spawning mops,> snails
> who receive my mercy, and scuds. While some of it may turn> brown it
> seldom actually dies...and promptly gets back up and grows> when placed
> in a lighted tank.> Join the AKA at
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> 7 Nov 2006 06:59:09 -0600From: "YoHoHo" Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Results
> of the 2006 WAKO 26th AnnualEgg-Laying Toothcarp JamboreeTo: The 2006 WAKO
> 26th Annual Egg-Laying Toothcarp Jamboree came to a close with a huge
> auction of some of the best killies to be seen anywhere. Dave Ramsey
> showed
> some great movies of the bedroom antics of numerous species, followed by a
> serious "down-south" lesson on Live Foods, Even If They Are Dead!In
> addition to our annual WAKO's Best of Show Ed Warner Award, created by
> WAKO member Matt Hirvonen, a totally new award was initiated - The Peoples
> Choice Award. The winner received the stunningly beautiful WAKO People's
> Choice Trophy, designed by Erny May, and a cash award.The details of the
> show can be found on the WAKO website, http://www.aka.org/wako, and the
> results of the show can be found at
> http://www.aka.org/wako/2006results.pdf ------------------------------Message:
> 7Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 08:40:08 -0600From: "wusong" Subject: Re:
> [Killietalk] java mossTo: I've found it does well in almost any lighting
> conditions, from just-enough-to-see-it to bright
> more-than-I-should-really-be-using CF. However, a change in the lighting
> seems to cause it some trouble; I'll usually see a slight die-off if the
> light gets significantly brighter
> or darker. This is brought to an extreme with a moss we have where I work
> (which I've long assumed to simply be a different clone of Java moss, but
> I now suspect may be Taiwan moss). If I bring some of that home, even in
> the system water from the lab, most of the newer growth dies and it is
> weeks before I start seeing growth. I find this variety of moss to be much
> less tolerant of low light, as well. Dave S.
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> Nov 2006 09:25:13 -0600From: "Earl Blewett" Subject: [Killietalk] Looking
> for Male A. elbert N'tuiTo: "Killifish Discussion List" Dear FishFolk,I'm
> looking for a male A. elbert N'tu. I shipped a lot out recently and
> afellow now has a collection of females and no males.Please reply offlist
> to:micro at earlblewett_netSorry to spam the list bu!
> t
> I'm desperate. Two shipments and the males nevermade
> it.Earl-------------------------------------------------------------Earl
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