My apologies to all, I should have asked these questions off line. I have 13 species of killies none of which eat vegetables. They enjoy their live, frozen, freeze dried or flaked foods. Ed Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9. Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/ Modify your subscription at http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk