Ok Barry How do you log in as an AKA member, Name then Member #? Either i can never remember right or it dont work for me either... John Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9. Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/ Modify your subscription at http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk