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Subject: Killietalk Digest, Vol 37, Issue 8
Send Killietalk mailing list submissions to<br> killietalk at aka_org<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo/killietalk<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> killietalk-request at aka_org<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> killietalk-owner at aka_org<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Killietalk digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Whatever hppened (Thumper Cat)<br> 2. Re: Whatever hppened (Barry Cooper)<br> 3. A. sp. aff primigenium GBN 88-10 (matt kaufman)<br> 4. Re: Whatever hppened (Robert Tucker)<br> 5. FW: Washington Post aquarium question (Koran, David HQ02)<br> 6. Re: FW: Washington Post aquarium question (John Wubbolt)<br> 7. Re: FW: Washington Post aquarium question (Robert Goldstein)<br> 8. Re: Whatever hppened (Bill Shenefelt)<br> 9. Re: FW: Washington Post
aquarium question (LeeH920226 at aol_com)<br> 10. RE; What Happened (Thumper Cat)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:13:52 -0500<br>From: "Thumper Cat" <thumpercat1 at hotmail_com><br>Subject: [Killietalk] Whatever hppened<br>To: killietalk at aka_org<br><br>Hi All;<br> I am sorely perplexed as to whatever is happening. I see days of <br>members trying to get answers to interesting questions, I receive E-Mails <br>seeming to show malfeasance by committee chairmen neglecting oversight and <br>complaints of the New and Rare Committee not living up to their <br>responsibilities )also malfeasance). I receive E-Mails showing the Trustees <br>are saying disgusting things to members and refusing to apologize. I see <br>people referring to non compliance of the laws of the charter issuing state <br>(Ohio). I see, on Killietalk, people offering helpful sugestions or asking <br>pertinent
questions being threatened by expulsion from the list. I receive <br>personal E-Mails that often tell me that the persons making the comments on <br>Killietalk are nothing but ungrateful dissidents and I should pay no <br>attention to them but when there are so many complaints and so many refusing <br>to voice them publicly. Even when they will "tell all" to a non-member.<br><br> But then the mail list for the most part shuts down with no answers or <br>resolutions and the obvious fact the so-called dissidents have been censored <br>or expelled from the list..<br><br> I see threads on the AKA forums talking about the same things and asking <br>the same questions. I see members doing everything but questioning members <br>manhood. I see reasonable questions and answers and I see a multitude of <br>kneejerk responses that mean absolutely nothing other than we really hate to <br>see the status quo upset so just go away...<br><br> And then, nothing !<br><br>I am not
really sure what all this means other than than the organization <br>has not learned to deal with the electronic communication age when questions <br>are openly displayed and demand timely answers. In the days of snail mail <br>communication organizations could take the time to form an answer and it was <br>difficult for groups of dissidents to "gang up" on a non-responsive <br>organization.<br>I am sure the AKA is not the only hobbyist group that have this problem. In <br>the Aquarium Hobby there have been many indications that some can't <br>transition because openness with members has never been an issue in the <br>snail mail age. A good model for service to members is the American Cichlid <br>Association. In terms relevance and services to members they are extremely <br>good. Of course, like any organization there have been high and low points <br>but for the most part they have been quite qood.<br><br>I am sure that what I have been saying will mean I am not welcome on
this <br>list. If that is the case, so be it. I can live with that. I hope the AKA <br>members can live with what they have, an open society with a closed door <br>Board of Trustees composed with the "good ole boys". But don't forget you <br>can get info from the US and state governments on the AKA through the <br>Freedom of Information Act.<br><br>John Travis Known as Thumper<br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:40:30 -0700<br>From: Barry Cooper <bjc3 at centurytel_net><br>Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Whatever hppened<br>To: killifish discussion list <killietalk at aka_org><br><br>John,<br><br>I suggest that you join the AKA, attend some affiliate club meetings, or <br>even better, the convention, talk to lots of members and then form your <br>opinions regarding the character of the members and the organization, <br>and whether most members are happy with it. That would be better than <br>basing your opinions on postings
from a very limited number of people.<br><br>Barry Cooper<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:59:31 +0000<br>From: "matt kaufman" <igotadose at hotmail_com><br>Subject: [Killietalk] A. sp. aff primigenium GBN 88-10<br>To: killietalk at aka_org<br><br>According to the most recent "Wild Collections of Killifish" I have, the one that goes through 2000 (a fabulous reference written by killie legend Roger Langton and available through AKA), all the GBN 88* 'primigenium' are 'species affinis primigenium', though I've never seen any other than 'GBN 88-10', which I had and is a really nice killie to keep and breed.<br> <br>Note that it's properly 'species affinis' not simply 'affinis'. <br> <br>Matt (AKA nomenclature police wannabe)<br>_________________________________________________________________<br>Try Live.com: where your online world comes together - with news, sports, weather, and much
more.<br>http://www.live.com/getstarted<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:03:44 -0700<br>From: "Robert Tucker" <tucker at covad_net><br>Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Whatever hppened<br>To: "'killifish discussion list'" <killietalk at aka_org><br><br>IMHO the meetings of the affiliates are as friendly and helpful as the<br>mailing list is strident and unhappy. Get to a meeting and commingle with<br>the other killie folk, you'll be happy you did!<br><br>It's my regret that geography makes it reasonable to belong to only two<br>affiliates!<br><br>Bob Tucker<br>Arcata (nee San Francisco)<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org] On<br>Behalf Of Barry Cooper<br>Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:41 AM<br>To: killifish discussion list<br>Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Whatever hppened<br><br>John,<br><br>I suggest that you join the AKA, attend some affiliate club meetings, or <br>even
better, the convention, talk to lots of members and then form your <br>opinions regarding the character of the members and the organization, <br>and whether most members are happy with it. That would be better than <br>basing your opinions on postings from a very limited number of people.<br><br>Barry Cooper<br>Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9.<br>Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/<br>Modify your subscription at<br>http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk<br><br><br>-- <br>No virus found in this incoming message.<br>Checked by AVG Free Edition.<br>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/413 - Release Date: 8/8/2006<br> <br><br>-- <br>No virus found in this outgoing message.<br>Checked by AVG Free Edition.<br>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/413 - Release Date: 8/8/2006<br> <br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:30:27 -0400<br>From: "Koran!
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David HQ02" <David_Koran at hq02.usace.army.mil><br>Subject: [Killietalk] FW: Washington Post aquarium question<br>To: <killietalk at aka_org><br><br>Subject: Washington Post aquarium question<br><br>Can anyone provide any help on this?<br><br>Dave K<br><br><br><br>Hi. I'm a writer at The Washington Post and I'm in search of experts on<br>antique aquariums. I've discovered a very interesting aquarium that was a<br>gift from the Hearst family to a local elementary school in the 1930s. It's<br>a stunning work of art in need of restoration and I'm trying to locate<br>someone who might be able to tell me a little about it and how it might be<br>restored. Any suggestions? Many thanks.<br><br>John Kelly<br>The Washington Post<br>202-334-5129<br>202-334-5150 (fax)<br>1150 15th St. NW<br>Washington, DC 20071<br>U.S.A.<br>Earth<br><br>"It's often said that life is strange, oh yes, but compared to what?"<br><br>-- Steve Forbert<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message:
6<br>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:41:35 -0400<br>From: BigJohnW at webtv_net (John Wubbolt)<br>Subject: Re: [Killietalk] FW: Washington Post aquarium question<br>To: killietalk at aka_org (killifish discussion list)<br><br>Some one should put him in Contact with Either Lee Finley or Wayne<br>Liebel... Both are into antique aquarium related stuff.... they might<br>be able to help out .....<br><br>John<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:50:47 -0400<br>From: "Robert Goldstein" <rgoldstein at rjgaCarolina_com><br>Subject: Re: [Killietalk] FW: Washington Post aquarium question<br>To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org><br><br>I sent it on to Lee Finley.<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "John Wubbolt" <BigJohnW at webtv_net><br>To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org><br>Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:41 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Killietalk] FW: Washington Post aquarium question<br><br><br>> Some one
should put him in Contact with Either Lee Finley or Wayne<br>> Liebel... Both are into antique aquarium related stuff.... they might<br>> be able to help out .....<br>><br>> John<br>><br>> Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9.<br>> Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/<br>> Modify your subscription at <br>> http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk<br>> <br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 8<br>Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:51:03 -0400<br>From: "Bill Shenefelt" <william_shenefelt at verizon.net><br>Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Whatever hppened<br>To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org><br><br>John;<br>I have emailed you before but probably directly not via the list. Most <br>people as far as I know do direct emails to help individuals with questions <br>or problems via direct email so as not to load down the list as there is too <br>much of no interest to most typically anyway on the
list. Don't judge the <br>AKA or its members by what you see on the mail list to all subscribers to <br>killitalk. It is a tiny part of the AKA. The vast majority of members are <br>not only very friendly but also very helpful to one another and to new <br>people. Much more so than I have seen in any other organization. <br>Considering we have probably close to a thousand members worldwide, try to <br>get a count of the number you see on the killitalk mailing list. I doubt it <br>is 5% of the membership even if you look for a few weeks. Most members of <br>the list scan the content and do direct replys, not replys to all. Email me <br>off list to let me know where you are located and maybe I can refer you to <br>some local AKAers.<br>Bill Shenefelt<br>http://sheneskillies.com/<br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "Thumper Cat" <thumpercat1 at hotmail_com><br>To: <killietalk at aka_org><br>Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:13 PM
<br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 9<br>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:18:19 EDT<br>From: LeeH920226 at aol_com<br>Subject: Re: [Killietalk] FW: Washington Post aquarium question<br>To: killietalk at aka_org<br><br>I suggest some of the folks and posts on the AHHS Yahoo group. Go to <br>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AquariumHobbyHistoricalSociety/<br><br>Lee Harper<br>Media PA<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 10<br>Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:38:18 -0500<br>From: "Thumper Cat" <thumpercat1 at hotmail_com><br>Subject: [Killietalk] RE; What Happened<br>To: killietalk at aka_org<br><br>To Bill and Barry;<br> I have received 120 E-Mails from 105 different members and at least 3 <br>that say they were ex BOT members and for the most part (over 80%) they echo <br>what some of the so-called dissidents are saying.I am just soeey I can't <br>send some of these to Killietalk but I feel that would be unethical.<br><br> As far as joining
the AKA I can't I have really considered it but <br>can't find any real reason ohter than perhaps the New and Rare as I stated <br>before. In terms of byuing fish and/or eggs Aquabid and E-Bay have provided <br>me a link into a number of guys who are selling either fish or eggs, For <br>breeding info, a question to Killietalk, a Google Search or Tim Addis' site <br>or Vasco Gomez' site or anyone of a dozen others seems to work quite well...<br><br> I have stated what I perceive to be the negatives in my earlier post.<br><br>Larry<br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>To join the AKA see http://www.aka.org/aka/modules/content/index.php?id=9<br>Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/<br>Modify your subscription at http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk<br><br>End of Killietalk Digest, Vol 37, Issue 8<br>*****************************************<br>
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