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Re: [Killietalk] Just remove me from the list now ego tripping
Ken,
Eloquently stated and on target.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <ken_combs at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'J. C.'" <hillbillynursery at yahoo_com>; "'killifish discussion list'"
<killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Just remove me from the list now ego tripping
> JC
> Some thoughts...
>
> -Hardly endorsing Wrights poignant remarks, but I put a lil more
> consideration in his (and your)" complaints" than the other "satellite"
> types that never offer anything EVER, and if they do bother to post, its
> only a "complaint" about list chatter (or offer some well timed remark
> about
> using the "delete" button)...that's like someone getting a free newspaper
> then complaining to editors they hate what the columnist write about...
>
> -I think list etiquette goes too far sometimes; Lees post <for example>
> are
> usually excellent but sparse, often leaving me wanting more info, a few
> others are even more Spartan for fear of "wasting bandwidth"...somewhere
> between those overly abridged post and my verbose "oratories" is a less
> verbose but efficient "blog"...with enough detail (from a range of
> posters)
> to track "trends"...I wonder if people are simply afraid of looking
> foolish, or only have time to read but not post...a good example of what
> I'd
> like to see is the recent australe/egg thread; I've also noticed better
> egg
> production in group setup...just wishing a wider spattering of people
> would
> go ahead and "blog" the list and post their unique experiences a lil
> more....
>
> -I hate to say it, but unlike "model trains" (where you can go to the
> store
> and buy the target interest commercially) our "commodity" is passed on
> mostly by "relation" & networking...if you think that allegiances,
> agreements, et is not somewhat influenced by "who has what", "who is who",
> et...then think again...as the arguments flow, I seriously doubt every
> opinion expressed carries the same impartiality as it does in other hobby
> segments///...be careful that you are not pariah and/or moderated because
> of
> who you twist off...unfortunately in this day & age people can & will
> "judge
> you" by your cyberspace presence; for lack of any other info (although I
> suspect you, like me, could give a darn, he he he)
>
> -all too often the list is used to endorse current AKA "status quo" rather
> than modify it...granted the list was created <partially> for just that
> purpose, but things get "sorted" & subjective when any opposition creeps
> in...basically it's sort of censorship based on opinion, always a sure
> sign
> that power & influence is being centralized and/or "consolidated"...The
> explanation that the AKA is a "representative body" comes to mind....IMO,
> that's a "explanation of a process", it has no implied logic or efficiency
> attached to it, and interestingly any counter arguments thereto are
> entirely
> suppressed and/or moved off list...
> IMHO, if the argument is going to be a "fish only" forum/list then I say
> enforce that, and get rid of all the cheeky/fuzzy announcements, and other
> malarkey...to me that garbage is also "list clutter", but I've yet to
> complain about it...
>
> -I won't be posting anymore...I've said my piece, perhaps too much...not
> run
> off, but for years I just listened, and sometimes that's good too...my
> level
> of involvement has ended, it will be impossible to do any good so long as
> the process of change is funneled "internally"...basically if the current
> members like it "As is" there will never be external influence or growth
> beyond "900" because the process of change (or any process) is hidden from
> external view...and any call for change is labeled "criticism" and that's
> not allowed here lest the "old bullies" hold their fish/collection trips
> hostage...this mail-list is one of a few "AKA external" venues for
> non-member killie nutz to post, and IMO it's important that what we do be
> highly visible (for better or worse)
>
> ...what I find counter productive is; if the "non-AKA" list subscribers
> are
> killie keepers, wouldn't we like to know why? And if AKA biz turns them
> off
> list, so what!, why bother to provide them with a venue if they are
> "non-contributors" anyway? Look, sometimes bickering shows
> "activity"...granted fighting can be a turnoff, but also can be a draw to
> those who like to be involved.....I'm going to say this in the strongest
> terms possible: being a "REPRESENTATIVE club" is likewise a potential
> turnoff; it does not efficiently encourage nor draw "activist/workerbee"
> types....we can add all the CD's, magazine articles we want, but that just
> makes this a book club and not a TRUE CLUB (with the inherent draw of the
> more passive "book club" types....solicit and encourage DIRECT
> involvement,
> ESPECIALLY in cyberspace,....that's the way towards growth in today's
> world...no wonder you get complaints from the "passive types" about "list
> clutter"...they are not getting their moneys worth in the "book club", uh,
> erh AKA....I say let them go their merry way towards Amazon.com...
>
> Ken
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org] On
> Behalf Of J. C.
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:13 PM
> To: killifish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Just remove me from the list now ego tripping
>
>
>
> I want to invite all of you to join
> www.dallaskillifish.com as they have a great forum with a JOKE section and
> other fun things like name this fish to help us all improve our spotting
> of
> fish species.
>
> I to am upset about Rob being run off. Yes I found alot of his post
> lacking content and/or a refference to what he was talking about but I
> know
> where my delete button is. Not only was he new but had a language barrier
> to
> over come as well. I never once said anything about his post. I am new to
> killies yet with almost a year being with one species and 8 months with
> the
> next 2 species. I know some of my post ruffled feathers and if it was not
> for a couple of caring people emailing me off list I doubt I would be
> here.
> I have had tropical fish for 20 years and bred several thousands of fish
> for
> market. Yet I am a newbie to these fish and have respect for those who
> respect others.
>
> I say let all speak as long as it is not flame. Teach not ban, as this
> promotes a better out look for the future. All Rob needed was a helping
> hand
> to change his ways as he meant no harm. Those that have his email please
> invite him to the Dallas group as that group is more free at heart.
>
> Later, John
>
> --- David sanchez <barbax66 at peoplepc_com> wrote:
>
>> "I'm tired of the AKA. I'm tired of the posturing and ego tripping
>> on this"
>>
>> I have to say I am sorry you feel the way you do. I think there are
>> many who feel things are in the control of the "old" few.
>> Some are on power trips.
>> The censorship, no joking etc etc. Poor Rob was runoff the list
>> because of one or two jerks who were annoyed by his Posts. He was a
>> nice guy never once retaliated to the antagonism he received. I guess
>> he was an easy target. He said football once, even after he greatly
>> improved his posts, and was kicked off the list or censored same
>> difference.
>>
>>
>> A new face was runoff because one grumpy old fart was annoyed. But
>> this was not just one grumpy old fart it was a special old fart. One
>> that has been around 30 years yada yada. So he is special and was Rob
>> runoff. This kind of crap infuriates me. What makes this person
>> Wright?
>> The hypocrisy is that a
>> couple days later this same old fart has the audacity to joke himself
>> in a post that had zero Killie content. he was guilty of the very same
>> offense he complained about. You have got to be freaking kidding me..
>>
>> Who do you think you are? are you special because you have been here
>> 30 years? are you more important then Rob? Guys get over yourselves
>> no one on Gods great earth gives a rats rear end how many fish you
>> have bred. 300 , 500, 1000 a zillion who gives rats rear end? there
>> are a mere 1000 in the entire USA. Lets get real this is a hobby and
>> should be fun.
>>
>> We need to get fresh YOUNG blood in here to lighten things up man. I
>> love Diapterons , I love Tropical fish period but I keep it all in
>> perspective.
>> My wife , my kids, that what matters in life. If I breed every
>> location of Diapterons there is it will matter little when I die. What
>> people will remember is how many fish I gave away , how many friends I
>> made , the good times I had with my friends. this is what matters.
>> Each and every member is
>> equal no matter how little or how much you know. I see some weird kind
>> of hero worship going on and its dorky and downright idiotic.
>>
>> To those who feel this way I say stay.
>>
>> Things have become a bit uptight I agree. I sure hope people do not
>> leave we all love killies here. There are many fresh faces and we need
>> keep these people around.
>>
>
> John Cox of Cumberland Killifish
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