Re: [Killietalk] Karl here is the female

[Duane Wake <dwake at iopener_net>]

Scott,

I don`t know how I got brought into this discussion except to say that a picture of Script. Geryi that was taken by Charley Grimes at a EXK meeting at my place may be what you are referring to. He got a really good shot of my Geryi that was a wild male that I got from Toyin labeled,  Script. Geryi Maferiya. There is nothing that compares to the beauty of wild fish and I`m most grateful to Toyin for making them available.                        
Regards,
Duane




Scott Davis wrote:
 > 
 > Neat photo and it does illustrate well, the
 > characteristic zigzag line of the female geryi. That
 > was the key to the contention over  that shipment of
 > Script "chaytori" in 2003 from Guinea, which Tony
 > pointed out was really geryi. It took a couple of
 > years to convince folks in the Midwest of that.
 > 
 > That pattern reminds me of an article published in the
 > AKA Killie Notes about '73 by either Thomas Cahalan or
 > Francis Clifford. They were members of the hybrid
 > registry committee. They had taken a special interest
 > in the relationships between what were then the
 > Roloffia. They were able to breed many of the Roloffia
 > of one type to another. Consistent exceptions were the
 > geryi females. Their pattern was so unique that no
 > other males than the geryi would court them. There may
 > have been a hesitancy to approach geryi males.
 > 
 > Most recently Joe Scanlan, in his article on the care
 > and breeding of F. bifax, notes the role of the female
 > in selecting a spawning spot. Others (Loiselle's study
 > on Ep. bifasciatus comes immediately to mind) have
 > noted that in nature, the females (often) approach the
 > male.
 > 
 > If (and this is a huge if) Mike Jacobs had a spare
 > female A. exigoideum and female Script. cauvetti to
 > place opposite his mosh pit male, the responding
 > female might have offered a clue as to what that male
 > is. (I think Vasco pegged the strain anyway.) I'm not
 > familiar with the females of each of the cauvetti and
 > species Guinea strains. If they could be told apart,
 > again the female most inclined to sojourn with the
 > male, might be the strain closest to him. (I sure the
 > male for his part would be glad to try and spawn with
 > many of them, except maybe for the exigoideum female,
 > who might try to beat the snot out of him.)
 > 
 > Bill, did you mean a refugee camp between Guinea and
 > Sierra Leone? An easy slip considering how both Sierra
 > Leone and Nigeria  have been in the news. You chased
 > me back to the Scheel Atlas to look at his maps. I had
 > forgotten that geryi ranges from SW Sierra Leone
 > northwest through coastal Guinea (and presumably
 > through Guinea-Bissau and southern Senegal) to the
 > Gambia River system. That is probably the largest
 > range for any of the Scriptaphyosemion. That would
 > help account for the variation in male coloration seen
 > in the various photos of geryi.
 > 
 > Dr. Romand had an article on geryi (I think it was
 > geryi) in TFH some years ago. He noted that there was
 > some change in the coloration pattern of geryi males,
 > even in one location, over a surprisingly short period
 > of time.
 > 
 > Don't know that he saw much difference in the females,
 > ever.
 > 
 > P.S. to Al and Duane, is that geryi strain in Al's
 > photo still in the hobby? Also, a terrific image,
 > worthy of Scheel!
 > 
 > All the best!
 > Scott
 > 
 > --- Bill Shenefelt <william_shenefelt at verizon.net>
 > wrote:
 > 
 > > Here is a geryi female from stock I got from Gary
 > Elson a couple of years ago.  Note the strong zig zag
 > line along the body.
 > > They were collected by Oliver Lucinas of Quebec who
 > drew me a map of where he collected them. Between
 > Nigeria and Guinea along the river there is a
 > tributary stream across from a refugee camp. He
 > collected them in that stream, called them Geryi so I
 > added the tag Refugee camp, as there was no local town
 > and at least it gave them some collection information
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