Thanx that is interesting. I have been able to keep Farlowellas alive much less breed. They are ok spawning on heater tube? Rob Join the AKA at http://aka.org/modules/tinycontent0/index.php?id=9 Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/ Modify your subscription at http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk