Re: [Killietalk] KCC (wasRe: forums vs killietalk) now Diapteron Study group

[Nick Ternes <woodland_gardens at gmail.com>]

I agree with Dave here.  I have no problem getting a hold of Doug Ebeling
(who is species coordinator for Fp. Misaje) or David Ramsey who heads the
Fp. group.  I'm sure I could get a hold of Charlie Nunziata and get a
response, but I've never tried.  (no reason to)  But I've seen the lack of
communication in other groups of the KCC.  The KCC is not operating with
efficiency, and frankly to me it doesn't seem like a succesful AKA
function.  If the BOT isn't to blame for not enforcing rules, the code of
ethics, and making sure things run smoothly; then who is?  It's their job to
make sure things within the AKA are done right.  I think over all, Charlie
has done a fine job.  He needs to have the authority, and the ability to act
when a group coordinator isn't doing his/her job.  And the group coordinator
has to know, that when they can't do their job (even for a short time) they
have to pass it on to someone who can.  This also goes for the species
coordinator, and members of each group.

Nick Ternes
Port Washington, WI
WAKO
AKA


On 1/26/06, David sanchez <barbax66 at peoplepc_com> wrote:
>
> "I see no problem with formation of a "Diapteron Study Group" for folks
> interested in those vicious little cold-water fish. ;-) They just don't
> now, and never have really fit the purpose or methods of KCC."
>
> That is a more sensible model and one that seems to be popular in other
> organizations around the world.
>
>
> "I agree that the communications about KCC have been very sparse and
> confusing, but don't blame the AKA BOT for that. That has not been their
> responsibility.
> "
>
> Wright, I have to let you know that I personally have been trying to work
> through the KCC Coordinator since the inception of the Diapteron KCC.
> Nothing has happened.. I cannot begin to tell you the amount of e-mails
> that
> have gone unanswered. Perhaps you can suggest who we can blame. I am open
> to
> suggestions. I never blamed the BOT but certainly something should be
> done.
>
> "The BOT has graciously stepped in to provide financial support for the
> increased shipping costs in doing swaps, but, otherwise, KCC is a fairly
> independent program. [That support has, tho, allowed the KCC to be
> active all over the world, and not just in the US. Many KCC breeders are
> not AKA members, for example.]"
>
> I disagree with the use of non AKA members to maintain stock or breed
> stock
> for an SMP program that makes no sense at all. I simply have not the time
> to
> get into the zillion reasons why I disapprove of this. I am sure you can
> deduce what most of them will be.
>
> "This method of operating has kept KCC communications 90% internal, which
> may explain why nobody ever knows what they are up to. :-)"
>
> That has no logic. The reason I joined the AKA was for such activities. We
> the membership ought to know what  these programs are doing. I would think
> one would be proud of their accomplishments and progress with a given
> group
> of fish. Why would you not want to report what is being done? Or perhaps
> it
> is because nothing is being done?  No wonder YEARS go by and still we have
> an abandoned Diapteron KCC. Or call it a Diapteron Study Group if it makes
> you feel better Wright watch out or I may sic my killer Diapterons on you.
> Do you watch Seinfeld? Remember the episode about the Anti Dentite? Jerry
> was accused of being a dentist hater well maybe your just a antiDiap
> Wright.
> LOl sleep tight
>
>
> Dave
>
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