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Re: [Killietalk] KCC (wasRe: forums vs killietalk)
Only Wright's diapterons were mean, mine are not nasty cold water critters
:).
Lorraine
In sunny Colorado
http://lorraines-killies.com
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From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org] On
Behalf Of David sanchez
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:52 PM
To: killifish discussion list
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] KCC (wasRe: forums vs killietalk)
Wright,
Hey I agree with you 100% That is what the KCC should be, for easy species
that may be lost to the hobby etc. We did discuss this before you know and I
agreed with you then. I still agree with your explanation of what the KCC
is. It seems practical. However we seem to have widened the functional
definition of what the KCC is because why else would Diapterons be included.
Why is there a Diapteron KCC? It does exist, in paper anyway. It is an
official AKA program or whatever you want to call it. What role does the
Diapteron KCC play? has this been operationally defined by the BOT? Perhaps
that can clear this all up. This is all new to me, Hey I just like
Diapterons even though they are the meanest Killi's around :)
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wright Huntley" <whuntley at inkmkr_com>
To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:37 AM
Subject: [Killietalk] KCC (wasRe: forums vs killietalk)
David,
In no way do any Diapterons fit the Killifish Conservation Committee
(KCC) original intent.
During the '60s and '70s, a number of really nice species were lost to
the hobby through simple neglect. Pretty, easy to breed and maintain
fish failed to challenge the more reliable breeders, so they usually let
them go, having "been there, done that."
As folks looked around for the fish, suddenly no one had any and they
found the original habitat was gone, so there would be no new
collections. OOOOOPS!
KCC was set up, I believe originally outside the AKA but by mostly AKA
meembers, to solve this fairly narrow problem.
Criterea for selecting so-called "core species" was that they should be
good representatives of their group, pretty enough to be popular, easy
to keep, and likely to be lost from the hobby without some coordinated
effort. It was assumed that more difficult fish, like Diapterons, whose
habitat was relatively secure, would be kept going by experts who liked
the challenge and/or by new collections. They were never a part of the
KCC effort, AFAIK.
I see no problem with formation of a "Diapteron Study Group" for folks
interested in those vicious little cold-water fish. ;-) They just don't
now, and never have really fit the purpose or methods of KCC.
I agree that the communications about KCC have been very sparse and
confusing, but don't blame the AKA BOT for that. That has not been their
responsibility.
The BOT has graciously stepped in to provide financial support for the
increased shipping costs in doing swaps, but, otherwise, KCC is a fairly
independent program. [That support has, tho, allowed the KCC to be
active all over the world, and not just in the US. Many KCC breeders are
not AKA members, for example.]
Most of the KCC breeders are relatively new folks, because the fish are
not a major challenge to keep. A few experienced coordinators do some
hand-holding, but for the most part, KCC is available as a nice place to
contribute to the hobby for breeders with quite modest experience.
A Species Maintenance Committee was set up as a real AKA effort, to
provide census and the intelligence effort that would make selection of
core species more accurate and reliable. Unfortunately it has proven
unworkable, and the last report is 5 or 6 years out of date. A species
can easily go from "everywhere" to "gone" in a tenth that time without
deliberate commitment. The name was an unfortunate mistake, I think,
because there is no way a hobby group like ours can ever do significant
species maintenance. We have to leave that to governments and big
museums who can maintain large enough populations in refuges to actually
be genetically significant.
KCC is just to keep the hobby from losing easy, pretty fish because
everyone accidentally quits keeping them at the same time. Not
complicated. Breeders simply agree to keep (and share) a species for a
known period (usually 2 years). After that they can pass on stock or
eggs to a new breeder and continue or drop the species as thay choose.
This method of operating has kept KCC communications 90% internal, which
may explain why nobody ever knows what they are up to. :-)
HTH
Wright
David sanchez wrote:
> " for one
> would like to see better info available about the KCC programs and
programs
> associated to conservation. Would also be nice to see better coverage of
> each volunteer position so that in case of an emergency, their position
> could be picked up by another volunteer."
>
>
>
> One big reason I joined the AKA was to be able to do some serious work
with
> Diapterons. I feel programs like the KCC represent what the AKA is all
> about. I feel that if we open communication with these programs and give
> reports back to the membership,we will not only create more interest in
them
> but also bring attention to the importance of these programs.
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