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Re: [Killietalk] Natives in feeder goldfish tank's
Cool beans Ken sounds like you have taken the whole fun out of going
collecting! :)
I have also seen similar situation at local LFS here as well. Though I have
never seen any pygmy sunfish. The darter you saw is probably the swamp
darter a ugly brown fish but with a ton of personality that will learn to
eat prepared foods even. They will eat from your hand after a while and are
just so cool! Another amazing fish because I have found them in lakes, ponds
and Rivers! Another very adaptable fish.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <ken_combs at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'killifish discussion list'" <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Natives in feeder goldfish tank's
> Nick, et everyone....
> In most metro areas I lived in, seems most LFS get their stock from a
> handful of area wholesalers. Now depending on which farms the wholesalers
> deal with, will determine the contaminant level in those feeders
>
> Unfortunately, the assorted pygmy sunfish are larger and thus stick out
like
> sore thumbs. I found out that it is "usually" somewhere along the supply
> chain that these fish meet their fate. Granted wholesalers usually won't
> deal with non-retailers, but one time I managed to talk one into salvaging
a
> few freebies for me (they absolutely won't "sell" to you per se)
>
> Here in N.Ohio, whichever wholesaler is peddling feeder guppies, I've
found
> about a 5-10% "native" flotsam in the tanks. Usually "green" mollies,
> bluefin killies, another similar smaller "bluefin" type of kille,
H.Formosa,
> Flagfish and some type of darter. Why these species sell on AB for 2-4
bucks
> each is beyond me, as I usually pay 15 cents "per" if I find a local LFS
> willing to cherry pick for me...
>
> If you live in Phx, AZ, sometimes that saltwater store near McClintock &
> University has flagfish mixed in with the live brine shrimp. In Vegas,
there
> was a similar deal on Tropicana <I think> 1/2 between Sunrise & the strip
>
> Another almost "guaranteed" source of natives is to buy live "tropical"
> water lillies or parrots feather, et. Thing is most folks immediately
place
> goldfish in their ponds/containers and few eggs/fry survive the goldfishes
> aggressive browsing. I am also sure damselfly nymphs take their toll, but
if
> you manage to stock a larger pond with live plants 1st w/o any adult fish,
> almost guaranteed "something" will show up (mitigating factors being the
> source & transport cond. of the aquatic plants)...I've done this a few
times
> and over the years, always had a variety of so called "minnows" show up in
> my ponds & containers...which I only now realize were asst Fundulus, et.
>
> KC
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org] On
> Behalf Of Nick Ternes
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:29 AM
> To: killifish discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Natives in feeder goldfish tank's
>
> 200 at one time eh? Maybe a couple pairs of those 200 could find their
way
> to WI. ;)
>
> Nick Ternes
> Port Washington, WI
> WAKO
> AKA
>
>
> On 1/19/06, David sanchez <barbax66 at peoplepc_com> wrote:
> >
> > Okefenokee, but alas, they didn't do
> > > well in the basement when the water cooled to 65F
> >
> > Markus ,
> >
> > Hey buddy those Okefenokee must not have liked you! I have collected
> > them in some of the native Florida springs. There are allot of springs
> > that feed the rivers of Florida. Many Killies to be found too. Anyway
> > I have collected E.okefenokee in such environments the water is much
> > cooler then you would expect. I also have only had the best luck
> > collecting them during the spring. I think they congregate during that
> > time to breed. I have caught as many as 200 in one location during the
> > spring. I can go back to the same spots and I will have pretty much
> > the same luck. Seems that spring may be their breeding season? Anyway
> > they are similar to Diapterons in that they like cool water 65 f-72
> > f. See I made the Killie connection to keep this on topic.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> > Hey remember the 1st rule of fish keeping ;)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Markus Brown" <thefishbiologist at charter_net>
> > To: <ken_combs at sbcglobal.net>; "killifish discussion list"
> > <killietalk at aka_org>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Natives in feeder goldfish tank's
> >
> >
> > > Your right!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Feeder tanks are commonly found with other Florida natives in them!
> > > The
> > sad
> > > thing is I seem to only get "Dambusia" or green sunfish (Lepomis
> > cyanellus)
> > > I have a pair or two of these already (The sunfish anyway;)! A good
> > friend
> > > gave me a couple of types, including Okefenokee, but alas, they
> > > didn't
> > do
> > > well in the basement when the water cooled to 65F.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Markus
> > >
> > > "Would be awesome to see darters of any kind swimming around in my
> > feeder
> > > tank at work!"
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ken" <ken_combs at sbcglobal.net>
> > > To: "'killifish discussion list'" <killietalk at aka_org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:44 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Legaly bringing fish from Canada to USA
> > >
> > >
> > > > Are you trying to finagle some from the Florida folks? If for
> > > > whatever reason you can't get some, you might try "cherry picking"
> > > > in your LFS "feeders" section, those and several other "natives"
> > > > are often
> > incidental
> > > > contaminants in with the feeder guppies, et. That's where I got
> > > > mine originally (along with flagfish, darters, et)...
> > > >
> > > > KC (speaking of bluefins, if my friend in the UK is
> > > > listening...long winter, but I ain't forgot ya)
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org
> > > > [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org]
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of ccarlile at aol_com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:21 PM
> > > > To: killietalk at aka_org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Legaly bringing fish from Canada to USA
> > > >
> > > > Oops, DON DAVEED. What's the sitch with Bluefin killies? Common
> > > > but I enjoy them. Rob Join the AKA at
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