Gee Dave, and we all thought you were an animal lover. :) Thanks for the common sense advice Wright, but i was hoping to hear perhaps lists members experiences. Ray S. Join the AKA at http://aka.org/modules/tinycontent0/index.php?id=9 Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/ Modify your subscription at http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk