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Re: [Killietalk] $26
Tom,
I guess I would like to have some specific examples of >condemnation and
slurs for
> their willingness to serve > referring to AKA administrators. I have as
> yet to read that.
What I have been reading is near universal respect for the BOT members, so
unless
you can come up with some specifics, I don't see how you can make these
blanket
statements and think you need to stop making them. Disagreement with policy
is part
of the situation and the only thing I have said is that the AKA
administration needs to
come out and talk to us on Killietalk or set up a forum on the AKA website
were we
can pursue these spontaneous discussions. Obviously it can be limited to
members,
or it could include signed in guests. But it would bring us closer together,
even in our
disagreements. Now please tell what "bit of ugly turn of the discussion" are
you
referring to? Thank you
Erny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Grady" <killienutz at killienutz_com>
To: "KillieTalk" <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] $26
>I am starting to see a bit of an ugly turn of the discussion here folks, so
> lets be careful of how we word ouor comments.
>
> Sometime in the past - be it recent or not - I came to the realization
> that today's society is about what people can get out of something instead
> of what they can put back into it and parts of this discussion seems to me
> to be headed in the same direction. When I hear people complain about
> paying $26 for whatever they perceive the AKA should give - then I am
> hearing people demanding the same thing - an attitude of "give me what I
> expect". I am saddened by this.
>
> Before you get angry at me - consider that perhaps the $26 should be
> considered an opportunity - an opportunity to serve something and give
> something back for all the enjoyment you gain from the activities of hobby
> itself. This is not about 'Old Guard' thought or 'Newbie' thought - its
> about service. The AKA provides a sevice, but without people willing to
> serve, there is no reason for the AKA to exist. If everyone in the AKA
> was
> a taker - who would produce the JAKA, the books, the conventions, the
> KillieTalk mail list, the opportunity for interaction about the hobby and
> the fish? In all honesty - that is what the $26 is for. All of those
> things - not the phyiscal or end results, but the place where people can
> gather to achieve those things.
>
> There are those who say everything the AKA does should be on the
> Internet
> and they use the term progressive for that. Its only progressive for
> those
> who want to pretend the Internet is the only future. I tend to disagree
> and
> I consider myself progressive -seeking new and better ways of doing
> things.
> There are those who have been said they do not want change. Perhaps the
> reason they do not want change is it requires far more to change than it
> is
> worth to enjoy the hobby. Computer users do not understand those people -
> simply because computer users are unwilling to believe anyone does not
> want
> to purchase on limited income, take classes to learn to use and then spend
> the fish work/play time on a computer. Its a choice about what makes
> people
> happy. The AKA's job is to serve all of those people - both sides of the
> issue.
>
> Folks - this argument about $26 is about personal choice. Its not about
> the politics of change or status quo. The AKA and the killifish hobby are
> what you get out of it and also about what you put into it.
>
> One last comment - I am tired of people bashing the BOT. They are no
> different than you - they are simply hobbyists trying to serve the thing
> that gives the hobby life. They do not always do the right thing or at
> least the thing I think should be done. Sometimes there are agendas and
> sometimes not. Sometimes they speak openly and sometimes they do not.
> You
> gripe about never hearing from BOT or AKA Committee members - but honestly
> you do hear from them. Dave Koran, Monty Lehmann, Lee Harper, myself and
> many many others both currently serving and well as in the past all
> comment
> from time to time. Nearly every BOT member is a member of an affiliate
> club - do you think they do not hear opinions at their meetings and talk
> about the issues? The problem is simpler - some want everything answered
> in
> this forum and its just not going to happen, so take advantage of the
> other
> options and opportunities if your issue is that important.
>
> In all honesty - I don't live for this list and I don't read it all the
> time - message by message - as some do. Its just not my favorite part of
> the hobby - the fish are. This is no different than the BOT. The BOT
> does
> not meet everyday to discuss issues - it meets once a year. The monthly
> letters are restrictive - in content as well as commentary - not
> restricted
> from your knowledge, but instead restricted by the way the system
> operates.
> Now someone will say change the system - lets not got into an argument
> over
> how that is done. No matter what you think - the people sitting on the
> BOT
> deserve your respect for their service, not your condemnation and slurs
> for
> their willingness to serve.
>
> Would there still be a hobby without the AKA? Probably. Would there be
> some other organization? Probably, but then this discussion would be the
> same - why pay $26 to XXX.
>
> Tom Grady
> Former BOT member
> Current Chairman of the Convention Assistance Committee
>
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