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Re: [Killietalk] Conservation
I applaud your group, but don't expect it to fit the KCC mold. There is
no species of Diapteron considered "easy" and those were the fish
originally intended for protection. Expert breeders, like yourself, will
organize "Study Groups" and address the problems of difficult fish.
If they disappear from the hobby it won't be because of ther old
David Sanchez wrote:
> This topic of conservation is one I have a keen
> interest in. My passion in Killies lies with the Genus
> Diapteron. My passion for these fish led me to start a
> yahoo group the Diapteron Study group. Currently we
> have over 100 members. I have found acquiring
> Diapterons not to be very easy. The AKA however has
> facilitated that for me thanks to the New and rare
> species, Thanks Brian Perkins! He does a great job
> with that! The AKA has also gotten me in touch with
> other Killie nuts that have the same passion for
> Diapterons that I do.
> Anyway I am not here to bash the AKA on how bad this
> has gone or anything like that. I delete all those
> posts I just don’t care about all that stuff, my
> interest is in breeding killies. I also thank everyone
> in the AKA as this has been a very great experience
> for me and I plan on being a lifelong Killie nut. That
> said I was disappointed with the KCC. When this first
> started I wanted to volunteer but I was not an AKA
> member at the time so I was not able to do it
> according to the KCC leadership. After that I have
> since become an AKA member. That said I have
> contacted the Diapteron species coordinator more times
> then I can count and I have never received one single
> response. I even received current information from
> people who know him. I have zero intention to "take
> over” as the coordinator or anything like that but I
> would very much like to be involved as a core breeder
> So this leads me to my questions.
> Is the Diapteron species coordinator still active?
> Hey Mr. Coordinator we have a Diapteron group with
> over 100 members! How about we work together let us
> help you?
> I am not asking to take over your job. I am
> volunteering to help you and I’m volunteering the
> group we have formed to help as well.
> Hey like I said I don’t want your job maybe the
> interest was not there before but I believe it is now.
> If you did not get any volunteers then maybe its
> because you didn’t answer peoples e-mails?
> Well here you go no excuses I am here and volunteering
> to get this thing going. The ball is in your court and
> that of the AKA powers at be.
> If there is no Diapteron species Coordinator or he has
> lost interest then it’s time we appoint a new one
> forget about the past and get this thing rolling.
> Among the Diapteron Species study group I’m sure we
> can find one with the needed drive and good
> communication skills necessary to keep such a group
> I did not join the AKA to get involved in-group
> politics. I am not lobbying for any position. I do
> however have a passion for this genus of fish and a
> very big fishroom with the tanks and space to dedicate
> to this Genus. It does not benefit anyone if we do not
> work together. This is why I joined the AKA for stuff
> like this. So where do we go from here? The biggest
> problem most times is too many Chiefs not enough
> Indians, well you got over 100 Indians. So what do you
> Dave Sanchez
> The Diapteron species Study Group
> --- Wright Huntley <whuntley at inkmkr_com> wrote:
>>This is a function that was supposed to be performed
>>most-unfortunately-named "Species Maintenance
>>Committee." The objective
>>was periodic census to keep track of what was still
>>non-extinct in the
>>hobby, and to ultimately provide guidance for
>>core-species selection for
>>KCC maintenance for those most likely to be lost.
>>The last _Species Maintenance Committee Report 2000_
>>was in that year,
>>and I believe that was so expensive and divisive
>>that it has been
>>dropped for now. It was compiled by Tom Grady, among
>>what I heard was
>>considerable BOT dissention.
>>The KCC is still very active, under the leadership
>>of Charley Nunziata,
>>and has a number of group or genus coordinators
>>working with a larger
>>number of species coordinators, who try to herd the
>>work of a very large
>>number of core species breeders. It takes skill to
>>herd cats, and that's
>>about what the species coordinator often faces. :-)
>>Doing a census involves asking every single breeder
>>to reveal his stock.
>>For a large number of reasons (one or two even
>>valid) it just ain't
>>gonna happen -- ever. Ask Tom just how much fun it
>>If strong feelings have died down a bit, I would
>>hope this function
>>could be revisited by the BOT, for, as an
>>experienced group and species
>>coordinator for KCC, I felt our selection process
>>for "core species" was
>>flawed at best and even totally absurd in some
>>Our goal has been to select species (individual
>>for special care that were a)colorful and pretty,
>>b)easy to breed, and
>>c) likely to be ignored by the serious breeders as
>>not needing special
>>A few such species did get lost in the '70s and
>>'80s. As habitats are
>>often lost, the need became severe. We added
>>habitat" as a selection criterion. That is, new wild
>>The use of volunteer tanks and time is most
>>precious, but without our
>>CIA (SMC) we are quite likely to wage war on
>>"weapons of mass
>>destruction" without knowing if there are any, or
>>where they are. Surely
>>the bright folks on the BOT can do something to
>>improve this situation.
>>Keith Cook wrote:
>>>Is there a need to keep tabs on which fish are
>>present in the hobby? If so,
>>>to what extent? Can anyone name a fish that has
>>gone extict in the hobby?
>>>I'm aware of the KCC, though I'm not sure it is
>>still active. Is this
>>>program, as well thought out as it is, enough? I
>>guess I'm just trying to
>>>guage the level of concern or even if there is a
>>need to be.
>>Wright Huntley - Rt. 001 Box K36, Bishop CA 93514 -
>>whuntley at verizon_net
>>- 760 872-3995 still works. Also 760 873-2000 (CA)
>>or 941 866-0500 (FL).
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