Thanks Barry. I see the phone number on the back page of the JAKA and did call it. Unfortunately, they're not open on the weekends and maybe not even tomorrow, being a holiday. Ed Brandt Join the AKA at http://aka.org/modules/tinycontent0/index.php?id=9 Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/ Modify your subscription at http://www.actwin.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/killietalk