Re: [Killietalk] Aphanius in a pond

[ROBERT ELLERMANN <ruevenm at sbcglobal_net>]

Hi Martin,
 
     How are the velifera and kykesis (petenensis) doing? I am receiving 2 other populations of velifera and hopefully another population of kykesis next week. We don't know if the kykesis is truly a different location since they failed to give me the location of the population you have when they sent me those fish last year. They also told me that they do not have sex ratio problems with any of the kykesis populations so maybe it was my conditions. Hopefully, it will be balanced for you. I spoke with my friend at Goliad Farms www.goliadfarms.com here in Texas who raises the two populations of latipinna and he said he could supply more if you loose them. How many do you have still? What has been the problem with them? I saw on your species list that you have X. multilineatus. How are they doing for you? That is one of my dream species. Are they as delicate and shy as people say? Is it difficult to maintain a colony that produces large males? Are the colors as nice as the pho!
 tos --
 deep blues and yellows? You'd love the orange P. picta I have. The males are solid orange with the picta patterning on top. This is a strain based on a single orange male that Armandou caught last year. Very impressive. I have 5 males and 10 females starting to produce. They produce some regular males too. Armando crossed the hi fin (montezumae x helleri) x hi fin helleri male I sent him to his (monty x helleri) x helleri swords and the strain is producing fry again and some have the hi fin. Armando sent me a batch of 30 with 5 hi fins in it. he said the single male hi fin I got out of my cross has developed into a nice fish and the monty genes definitely improve the shape of the fin. This new backcross has a glorious orange color with the monty patterning underneath. I will be interested to see how their swords develop and if any carry the the rounded regular dorsal of the monty. I have also crossed the black spotted monties to the larger and more colorful unspotted montie!
 s and the
 few fry I have are developing the best of both. They have the better shape and color of the unspotted ones but with the nice body spotting. I am hoping they will carry the spotted dorsal of the unspotted monties and not the almost clear dorsal of the spotted population. Talk to you soon.
 
Bobby

Martin Tversted <tversted at email_dk> wrote:
Hi all
I usual keep a very low profile on this list, but this particular topic is 
what I work with.
I breed serverel species of Aphanius and in my experience, pond keeping them 
is the only way in the long run.
Here in Denmark, Scandinavia, US zone 7, serverel species are hardy outside 
all year around, only protected from too much rain as this will pollute and 
change the water parameters.
The other problem from keeping them outside is predators in form of insect 
larvaes.

The "hardy" species are:
Aph. mento from Turkey
Aph. anatoliae all subspecies
Aph. danfordii
Aph. iberus
Aph. sophiae
Aph. villwocki
I usual bring in some pairs before winter but some are left outside.

Both because I enjoy them, and because they eat the insect larvaes, I keep 
the following species of turtles in my fish ponds:
Chrysemys picta belli
Emys orbicularis orbicularis
Chinemys (Mauremys) reevesii
Pseudemys nelsoni
Sternotherus odoratus
Clemmys guttata

In my experience it is rare that turtles eat fish, they need to starve in a 
long time or the fish needs to be sick. Ex I have a pair of south brasilian 
Cichlasoma protecting eggs and the turtles dont bother them at all. 
However, some species like Chelydra (snappers) and allies will eat fish, the 
same goes for softshells (Apalone). However, I kept adult softshells of the 
genus Pelodiscus succesfully with smaller livebearers. The same goes for 
scandinavian frogs althoug the tadpoles will eat the eggs. Larvaes from 
newts will prey on fish fry.

Martin Tversted
http://www.vildensky.com/
http://www.vildensky.com/vildensky_fishhouse.htm



Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Aphanius fasciatus
To: killifish discussion list 

I'm interested in keeping killies outside. My pools have frogs, snakes,
turtles and birds above. How do you keep them uneaten long enough to breed?
Thanks,
Wayne Morrow

George & Melanie wrote:

> I was fortunate enough to get two pairs of the Aphanius mento at the
> convention. Brought them home and put them in my 55 gal outside pool
> that we have set up for the birds.






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