Oh, almost forgot, Everyone, thanks for the patients with the longer post, I'll give it a rest for a few months, and I'll be back hopefully with ideas...I'll look forward to just reading the fresh topics for now...and hopefully see a few of ya on Memorial day... Cheers!!! Ken To join the AKA see http://www.aka.org/pages/join.html Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/