Re: [Killietalk] RE: Chicken or egg or is that fish or egg?

["Erny May" <emay1 at wi_rr.com>]

The first sensible statement in this vague, rambling thread that states
it as it really is. If the fish don't want to make whoopee, ain' t a damn
thing you can do to coerce them. We try provide the romantic setting
and that is all we can do.

Erny



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Scanlan" <drkillinut at charter_net>
To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] RE: Chicken or egg or is that fish or egg?


> Hey guys, lighten up.  Killies breed when they are ready, not when we are. 
> Our job is to find out what environmental factors stimulate a particular 
> species to breed and to create that environment.  That is why some of us 
> just luck out when more experienced breeders may fail.   Everyone deserves 
> a chance to breed a species provided he or she is willing to learn what 
> environmental factors are necessary for breeding, and try to recreate them 
> for our fish.   Of course, because some species are 'difficult' they cost 
> more.     Joe
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris" <cgraseck at optonline_net>
> To: "'killifish discussion list'" <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:44 AM
> Subject: RE: [Killietalk] RE: Chicken or egg or is that fish or egg?
>
>
>> Dave shows a more tactful way of restating my sentiments.  Sorry If I
>> was a bit too harsh in my last post.  I still feel that there are many
>> truly beautiful and rare fish to be had without a great deal of
>> difficulty.  The others have to be earned and I don't see that as being
>> unfair.  There are a lot of collectors (not the kind that catch wild
>> fish) out there, which is fine, but when it comes to very rare fish it's
>> the breeders who need access.  That said I've been in the AKA since
>> about a year before the Chicago Convention (whenever that was) but for
>> the past few years I have had more pressing things to occupy my time, so
>> I haven't been breeding many killies.  Last year I tried to acquire
>> Rivulus sp. Mahdia.  I was told that it was a difficult fish and was not
>> available.  Well like anyone else I was disappointed but I didn't make a
>> big deal about it.  Several months later one of my local affiliate
>> members acquired the fish and had nothing but trouble with it.  He was a
>> far better and more experienced breeder than myself so I figure I
>> probably would not have done any better.
>>
>> Now that my fish-room is taking shape I will be breeding more fish but
>> I've come to realize that the really difficult fish are not as much fun
>> (for me at least) as the easy ones.  I'm currently struggling with
>> Callopanchax occidentalis and even though they are beautiful I think I
>> like my Fp. Fallax better.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>> Christopher Graseck
>> Rye, NY
>> http://killifish.homestead.com/index.html
>>
>> "Let us learn to dream, then perhaps we shall find the truth. But let us
>> beware of publishing our dreams before they have been put to the proof
>> of the waking understanding. -August Kekule-
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: killietalk-bounces+cgraseck=optonline_net at aka.org
>> [mailto:killietalk-bounces+cgraseck=optonline_net at aka.org] On Behalf Of
>> Koran, David HQ02
>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:58 AM
>> To: killietalk at aka_org
>> Subject: [Killietalk] RE: Chicken or egg or is that fish or egg?
>>
>> The problem of interacting with the "newbie" is sometimes not the fault
>> of
>> the old fart but their involvement.  As one stays around this hobby they
>> tend
>> to stay involved and sometimes get more involved.  Most killie people
>> don't
>> just burn out, they are sort of like a super nova (and not a souped up
>> Chevy
>> either!).  When the new person attends a meeting (or Convention) the old
>> timer is usually involved in carrying out some activity and doesn't
>> always
>> have the free time available and before long the meeting or event is
>> over.
>> Time flew for the old timer while the "newbie" felt ignored.  I don't
>> know a
>> simple answer except that one has to make their presence known.
>>
>> Because talk is cheap and opinions are everywhere, one can always engage
>> in
>> conversation and our "experts" are seemingly always ready to offer
>> advice.  I
>> don't think most have found that to be the problem.  Maybe the root of
>> all of
>> the discontent is that "newbies" find it difficult to get the fish they
>> want.
>> I got news for you, most of us find it difficult to get the fish we
>> want.
>> There is a short list of fish that one can get most anytime.  Just about
>> everything else is in short supply and demand usually outstrips supply.
>> I
>> may be wrong but the issue comes when a breeder is distributing fish
>> where
>> demand is high.  Here when deciding who gets what, the choice is most
>> often
>> made with the thought that the person selected has demonstrated an
>> ability to
>> produce killies in the first place and most likely if they reproduce and
>> sell
>> or distribute them themselves.  Even though the breeder may be selling
>> his/her fish, if the recipient is known to produce killies then the
>> breeder
>> "assumes" it is likely they will be able to procure fish from that
>> individual
>> at some future time.  I know that sounds like a stretch but I am sure
>> most of
>> us would agree that we pursue that logic.
>>
>> Finally, I once again want to relate the story of the late Art Titus of
>> Detroit.  Art got royally hacked when he got the same treatment (back
>> then we
>> only had the BNL F&E Listing)--money returned and fish sold out was the
>> standard answer.  Art got what he could, even if it was only slightly
>> uncommon, bred it and then listed it for sale in the F&E Listing.  Once
>> Art
>> listed killies for sale, he began to move to the "front of the line".
>> It
>> took a couple of year before Art could "shake the killie tree" but his
>> investment paid off.
>>
>> So my advice is, as painful as it sounds and unless you have tons of
>> money to
>> outbid the world, don't show me the money but rather show me you produce
>> killies.  Unfortunately you need to build a reputation to get what you
>> want,
>> build a network of killifish friends but most of all be patient.  In
>> this era
>> of instant gratification the killifish hobby doesn't easily compute.
>>
>> Dave Koran
>>
>>
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