Re: [Killietalk] Where Ken should go

["Erny May" <emay1 at wi_rr.com>]

Congratulations Chris! for joining the "ranting". Why don't we all just
focus on the upcoming convention with the anticipation of strengthening
our waning brotherhood of killiekeepers. Let those who want to rant, rant,
for we are all entitled to do just that. Think of it this way. There is a 
good
chance you'll be able to tell the individual directly in a couple of weeks. 
I
really think we could be a little more amicable when we interact on 
killietalk.
Thanks for reading this.

Erny


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris" <cgraseck at optonline_net>
To: "'killifish discussion list'" <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:46 AM
Subject: [Killietalk] Where Ken should go


> Ken,
>
> It seems that many of your rants include some sort of griping about not
> being able to get the fish you want.  This sounds laughable, as all of
> the killie people I know, have no room for any more killies, and can't
> give the ones that they have away.  Sure there are a few species which
> are difficult for even the most experienced breeders.  You are not going
> to get these, for what should be obvious reasons.  If a species is
> really difficult the few people who have them want to, a.) keep enough
> to keep their breeding program going, and b.) give a few to trusted
> experienced breeders incase their own program fails.  It is not all that
> uncommon for experienced breeders to strike-out with a difficult
> species, and giving such fish to someone new, regardless of their claims
> of previous experience, would be foolish.
>
> Now, provided that your ranting is not the result of being told that so
> and so won't give you any Rivulus species Mahdia or Simpsonichthys
> carlettoi there are numerous places to acquire killifish in abundance.
> First of all are you a member of the AKA?  Our BNL is chock full of
> offers for fish and eggs from species that run the range of difficulty
> level and rarity.  Even if you are not a member the fish and egg listing
> is available on our website at
> http://aka.org/modules/tinycontent0/index.php?id=12.  Our website also
> has a classifieds area at
> http://aka.org/modules/tinycontent0/index.php?id=12. We also
> occasionally have new and rare listings.  Brian Perkins has done a great
> job of making truly new and rare fish available to anyone who wants
> them.
>
> Second, have you joined your local AKA affiliate club?  Club auctions
> provide access to and incredible variety of fish, not to mention the
> other benefits of getting to know the best breeders in your area.  Fish
> are also typically dirt cheap at club auctions.  I've seen rare and
> beautiful fish go for less than $5.00.  This is simply because we all
> have too many killies and can't take on any more.
>
> Third, The national convention is coming up.  I've only been to one, but
> came home with more fish than I knew what to do with.
>
> Fourth, there are several AKA members with websites that advertise
> available fish.  Some of these are http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/,
> http://www.rehobothaquatics.com/index2.html, http://shene.killi.net/,
> http://www.garysfishroom.us/index.htm,
> http://my.execpc.com/~smstacey/fishlist.html,
>
> Fifth,  There is always AquaBid where the rarest of the rare can be
> purchased (sometimes for an outrageous sum, but they can be purchased).
>
> As I said before there are some fish that you are just not going to be
> able to get but there are good reasons for this.  When you become
> established as known and trusted breeder of difficult fish people will
> ask you to take a pair of their most difficult incase they strike-out,
> but that rank has to be earned.  It takes time, skill, and political
> savvy to do this so if new, rare, and difficult is what you want start
> working on what is available and build a reputation as something other
> that an antagonist.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
> Christopher Graseck
> Rye, NY
> http://killifish.homestead.com/index.html
>
> "Let us learn to dream, then perhaps we shall find the truth. But let us
> beware of publishing our dreams before they have been put to the proof
> of the waking understanding. -August Kekule-
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: killietalk-bounces+cgraseck=optonline_net at aka.org
> [mailto:killietalk-bounces+cgraseck=optonline_net at aka.org] On Behalf Of
> Ken Combs
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:00 AM
> To: killietalk at aka_org
> Subject: [Killietalk] Species maintenance?
>
> For the convenience of those who wish to always delete my post, figure
> I'd just string all my together:
>
> Reef Fanatics vs Killienutz, ya know some of you folks just don't get
> it!
>
> I was into reefs back in the early 80's before the "blow-up", before the
> influx of testosterone laden angry teens...Back then it was a mix of
> older Salt water pioneer types and folks like myself in their mid 20's
> who "graduated" from clownfish or cichlids...By the 90's the reef scene
> matured and the gadgetry got slicker. The chatter on the boards got
> heated, and you could tell: also younger...But still, the reef hobby was
> blowing up! Sure the "neat reef stuff" is a "draw", but the sheer
> activity and the dynamics of community was a draw also...people like
> interfacing with people as well as their fish...
>
> Look, it's not a stretch to speculate the reef area is not only younger
> than the killie area, but growing faster. The ole adage "killies aren't
> for everyone" to me is a cop out. While the two areas differ in gadget
> content, the fish themselves are both "feature rich", and thus make for
> a logical evolutionary entry point for those leaving the "pretty lil
> fish neon tetra" stage. Sure, killies are kind of a "gentleman's" fish
> with some academic attributes, so some demographic homogeny is to be
> expected.
> But as I troll back a few topics these last 2 weeks, I see many "take it
> or leave it" post and likewise too many "it's a two way street" post
> which to me point to you ole farts are modifying and enforcing the
> environment to suit yourselves (or alternatively are resistant to
> change)...
>
> Don't matter to me if you dislike me, dislike my long post or hate the
> truth being force fed? Thing is I'm a hobby saboteur, I figure so long
> as I post the truth along with reasonable solution, I figure it will be
> discarded.
>
> And BTW, sure I'm struggling a lil with my fish, but I'm 44 yrs old with
> 38 of those keeping fish fanatically, so don't tell me to just worry
> about my fish, perhaps some of yuz could expand your concerns along with
> me...
>
> Ken
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