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Re: [Killietalk] Re: Killietalk Digest, Vol 21, Issue 68
Frank,
Do I detect a note of sarcasm?
Erny
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From: "yohoho" <yohoho at insightbb_com>
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:31 PM
Subject: [Killietalk] Re: Killietalk Digest, Vol 21, Issue 68
> Wow! Two Topics in the same issue that make sense, are to the point, do
> not harass or chastise anybody, are informative, direct, and well written.
> What a relief. Thanks guys.
> Frank Carriglitto
> AKA#08234, ChiKA, WAKO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <killietalk-request at aka_org>
> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:00 AM
> Subject: Killietalk Digest, Vol 21, Issue 68
>
>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. RE: Conventions and such (KillieNutz)
>> 2. [Fwd: [Fwd: USPS Postal RegulationsGoverning Tropical Fish
>> shipment - additional FACTS]] (Barry Cooper)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:50:33 -0400
>> From: "KillieNutz" <killienutz at killienutz_com>
>> Subject: RE: [Killietalk] Conventions and such
>> To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
>>
>> Hi Karen and all,
>>
>> Having just returned from a brief trip to the south as Big John
>> mentioned,
>> I'll be glad to give you an idea of what is intended in case we have a
>> year
>> in which no affiliate club steps forward to host a National Convention.
>>
>> While I have by no means completed any specific program for this issue, I
>> am
>> working on a contingency plan that will look something like this:
>>
>> 1. No bid for convention.
>> a. Contact regional affiliate clubs directly. (Northeast, South,
>> Midwest,
>> West regions)
>> 1a. Determine region where convention has not been held in XX years.
>> Contact clubs in that area first to see if any are willing to bid.
>> 1b. Contact the next region in reverse order of most recent convention.
>> This will continue in reverse order until all areas have been sampled.
>>
>> 2. No Bids from contacted Regions
>> a. Contact individuals in a centralized region of the USA (example: St.
>> Louis in 2002) and build a team of co-chairs working directly with the
>> AKA
>> Convention Assistance Committee (myself and appointees) to host a
>> convention. (for those unaware - the very successful St. Louis
>> convention
>> in 2002 under tha able handling of Jack Heller and others was done this
>> way - but without an AKA Convention Assistance Committee in existance) -
>> This convention would be hosted directly by the AKA under the CAC
>> auspices
>> or an appointed team acceptable to the AKA BOT.
>>
>> 3. Under dire circumstances, one Affiliate Club has indicated the
>> willingness to sponsor an AKA National convention at any time needed.
>> (separate from any bids they may plan.)
>>
>> Very roughly, that is the concept I am planning to place before the BOT
>> at
>> the National Convention this year for their input and suggestions. I am
>> certainly open to any ideas offered and will incorporate those into an
>> overall plan in case no bid is received in the future.
>>
>> Yes, there is one proposed bid that I am aware of for 2006 that will be
>> presented at the National Convention this year. Certainly, the BOT will
>> entertain more than one bid, so please do not hesitate to do so if your
>> organization is interested.
>>
>> If any clubs are considering hosting a convention in 2007, please contact
>> me
>> for a whole bunch of information I can pass on to help you in your
>> initial
>> planning. I am hoping that a Midwest or Western region club or clubs
>> will
>> consider the National convention for 2007.
>>
>> Hope this helps ...
>>
>> Tom Grady
>> Chairman - A.K.A. Convention Assistance Committee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Karen Perdue [mailto:windamyr at peoplepc_com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:53 PM
>> To: killifish discussion list
>> Subject: [Killietalk] Conventions and such
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On this topic, what I proposed to our National Club(dogs) was having a
>> central "Specialty" committe, a group of volunteers to help plan, and
>> fund
>> raise on a national level for our specialties. With such a centralized
>> committee, with committee members across the nation, we would develop an
>> ability to flex on location. We could utilize lesser populated areas,
>> without a lot of on the ground members, as long as we had experienced
>> folks
>> to do some of the groundwork, negotiating with hotels, among other things
>> required by dogs, but not by fish<G>
>>
>> Has the AKA looked into a possibility such as this? It would take a huge
>> load off the shoulders of locals, allowing them to do more detail work,
>> looking for great collecting spots, or hiring in excellent speakers etc,
>> not
>> to mention taking the onus off them for choosing poorly as to cost and
>> travel problems? I know I'm not getting into too much detail, just
>> throwing
>> out a basic idea, but maybe it's something that could help alleviate the
>> problems?
>>
>> Karen
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:13:01 -0700
>> From: Barry Cooper <bjc3 at centurytel_net>
>> Subject: [Killietalk] [Fwd: [Fwd: USPS Postal RegulationsGoverning
>> Tropical Fish shipment - additional FACTS]]
>> To: killifish discussion list <killietalk at aka_org>
>>
>> Bob Alston asked me to post this to killietalk as he is having problems,
>> for some reason - BJC
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: USPS Postal RegulationsGoverning Tropical Fish shipment -
>> additional FACTS
>> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 09:04:18 -0500
>> From: Bob Alston <bobalston9 at aol_com>
>> Reply-To: bobalston9 at aol_com
>> To: killietalk at aka_org
>>
>>
>>
>> I know some people have stated they are tired of this discussion. I hope
>> they will tolerate this additional post as it contains FACTS about
>> mailing tropical fish via the USPS, as written by the USPS.
>>
>> Below, please see my email to and the response from the USPS regarding
>> shipping small cold blooded animals.
>>
>> pexplore at usps_gov <mailto:pexplore at usps_gov> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mr. Alston;
>>
>> I apologize for taking so much time to get back with you. I was checking
>> to make sure that our regulations concerning "lives" have not changed.
>> The regulations that you mentioned which are outlined in the /Domestic
>> Mail Manual/ (DMM®) section 601.9
>> (http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm) are still current and correct.
>> The DMM® is available on line at the Postal Explorer website pe.usps.com
>> <http://pe.usps.com/>. The statement that you have printed below that
>> you say was released around March 4^th is not correct.
>>
>> Thank you for using the United States Postal Service.
>>
>> Postal Explorer
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* Bob Alston [mailto:bobalston9 at aol_com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:43 PM
>> *To:* DMMAdvisory
>> *Subject:* Question on shipping small cold-blooded animals
>>
>> I have been told that on or about March 4, 2005 the USPS issued a change
>> in regulations as stated below:
>>
>> The Commercial Airlines will no longer accept "lives" to transport as
>> mail.
>>
>> If you have any known customers that normally mail birds, crickets, bees,
>>
>> reptiles, etc please make sure you inform them NOW that we can not accept
>> as
>>
>> mail (Express Mail, Priority etc) so they can make other arrangements.
>> They
>>
>> may have to contact the airlines to ship "as cargo".
>>
>>
>>
>> As of right now if they are mailing to local destinations (i.e. Albany to
>>
>> Syracuse) we can send them on a truck. If you are not sure if
>> destination
>>
>> is considered local, call your local Express Mail Office and they will
>> get
>>
>> the information for you. I will send this out hardcopy to post in your
>>
>> office.
>>
>> I am told the above is the exact text of the memo.
>>
>> Can you advise if the above information is accurate?
>>
>> If accurate, where can I find reference to it in official USPS
>> information?
>> Note I could not find reference to such in your DMM advisory
>>
>> http://pe.usps.gov/dmmAdvisory.asp
>>
>> nor in the Postal Bulletins
>>
>> http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/bulletin/pb.htm
>>
>> nor in the summary of changes
>>
>> http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/Summary_of_Changes.htm
>>
>> nor in the DMM regs themselves
>>
>> http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/pub268.htm
>>
>>
>> This is important to an association of hobbyists in the USA who ship
>> harmless, small cold blooded animals frequently.
>>
>> To date we understand the pertinent sections of the DMM which apply to
>> us are Section 601 9.3.3 Small Cold-Blooded Animals and Section 601 2.4
>> liquids.
>>
>> Thank you very much
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bob Alston
>>
>> bobalston9 at aol_com <mailto:bobalston9 at aol_com>
>>
>> 918.494.4913
>>
>> http://members.cox.net/tulsaalstons/
>>
>>
>>
>> Also please note the following USPS document which also references the
>> same 601.2.4 verbiage about small cold blooded animals but also includes
>> a specific reference to tropical fish:
>>
>> http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub52.pdf
>>
>> Note specifically section 526.6 which includes the following:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally also note section 523 especially its 2nd paragraph:
>>
>> Anyone else having specific written information about pertinent USPS
>> regulations governing transport of tropical fish should post such to this
>> list.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Alston
>> bobalston9 at aol_com
>> 918.494.4913
>> http://members.cox.net/tulsaalstons/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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