Aw Shucks I might as well set you up with some or go to jail trying, every one deserves Grindals for their fishy friends. Send me your address to the address in my sig and I will try. killiman at iquest_net Al Anderson 6246 N Rural Indianapolis IN 46220 317 253 2170 To join the AKA see http://www.aka.org/pages/join.html Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/