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[Killietalk] Re: Comments on morphs, etc
Hey guys, you are bringing up a subject that is extremely interesting since it has touched on two areas of concern. The importance of knowing where the fish is from and recent discussions of keeping localities straight once you have them. Check out the Chairman's Editorial in the newest JAKA. If you know where the fish is from, you can try to find out what its real diet is. One example that I can pinpoint is when Dr. Vollrad Etzel gave a presentation on his collecting trips to West Africa. He had a slide of a Fundulop. monrovia in a bag that was caught in 104 degree water. The only other inhabitants in the pool were large freshwater shrimp(dont know what kind). The fish that was collected was a red form and I remember people suggesting that the shrimp in the diet may be a contributing factor to the color. I have noticed some drastic differences in A. australe when fed alot of brine shrimp. I could have sworn they became a little bit lighter with a little more red/pink. Thi!
s was the orange strain. When I got my act together and started harvesting white worms, varying the diet, they seemed to have returned to their darker orange appearance. Temperature seems to have an effect on what colors are showing up. I have also noted that some of the larger Epiplatys show more intense coloration when they mature;Example, Ep. ansorgii Massana's blue background is more intense as a younger fish. The yellow/orange fins and maroon spots also fade to a lighter gold. I guess I am rambling abit, but it seems to be important, not only to keep track of what fish you have, but also knowing at what age, diet, and water conditions existed when the reference photo was taken.
Mark Delraso
Columbus, Ohio
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1. Re: Ps Annulatus (Duane Wake)
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 08:41:07 -0500
From: Duane Wake <dwake at iopener_net>
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Ps Annulatus
To: killietalk at aka_org
RJ,
I`m with you 100%, having kept Killies for 40 some years I have seen numerous examples of what you discribe. You take the fish home put them in your tanks feed them your food and the colors are not the same. I had annulatus with the red pectorals many years ago when it was first brought into this country, beautiful fish. I guess I was one of the lucky ones, I don`t think we have much control over the color of the fish we bring home. You pay your money and take your chance.
Regards, Duane
Tranquility Base wrote:
>
> Hi Tim:
>
> I seriously believe that color morphs that some people associate with
> certain collections are not the best indication of the fish's lineage. Now I
> know that makes little sense, but I can explain.
>
> First food and water conditions have an influence on color. I purchased a
> strain of STR at auction. I liked the peach color in the unpaired fins. Over
> the course of a year or so the peach color turned yellow. All of the
> offspring had yellow in the anal fin. None were peach. So if I had
> identified the strain as the one with peach in the anal fin, I would have to
> think the strain lost when in fact I was looking at the very same fish.
> Maybe it was water conditions or maybe it was food that changed the fish,
> but I am quite certain no one switched the fish in the tank.
>
> With regard to the GAR Makurdi, I had a member of the 'red' strain. Mine was
> completely blue for the first six months of its life, then it got red spots
> towards the front of its body. It was very attractive, it never did get red
> in its fins and had kind of a greenish tint to it. Unfortunately it was also
> a carrier of an incurable disease. Its mates succumbed quickly, its
> offspring within four months. Since the odd blue fish was immune, it got to
> live out its relatively long life in isolation and I never fixed the morph.
>
> I have to suppose that the blue morph must have recurred and someone fixed
> it. This fish was a knock out. Having had one that hatched from a batch of
> otherwise normal siblings, I know it was a true Makurdi 'red'. So this is
> another case where the color of a strain may have changed, but the fish is
> never the less correct for the locality and collection code.
>
> So there you have it, the ANN monrovae might be alive and doing well but due
> to nutrition or selective breeding the appearance might have changed.
>
> On another tack, I recall some time back there was a yellow and or green
> morph of the ANN imported to the first world. Does anyone know if either of
> them made it. I am also interested in the whereabouts of the new yellow
> morph of the N. furzeri. Is that one still around?
>
> Peace,
>
> ~RJ~
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:killietalk-bounces+tranquilitybase=netzero_net at aka.org]On Behalf
> Of Tim Addis
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:47 PM
> To: yodeman at lycos_com; killifish discussion list
> Subject: [Killietalk] Ps Annulatus
>
>
> > We talked about that original strain of ANN called 'Monrovia' a while
> back, (the really nice strain with blue dorsal and red anal fin). It appears
> it is no longer in the hobby. We were seeing people list ANN 'Monrovia',
> but the fish had a yellow dorsal. It looks like the new Monrovia strain has
> been caught in a different location from the original strain. Tony, correct
> me if I'm wrong, it was a few years ago now :) Ron
>
> Ron, the archetypal Monrovia as depicted by Scheel has a pale blue outer
> margin to anal & dorsal fins. Pectorals are thickly edged in red. As you
> described.
> The AKA Monrovia currently being distributed differs from this example but I
> do not say it was not collected (or shippped from Monrovia).
> The most usual import these days has a yellow band through the dorsal,
> through the body & through the anal. At one time this was not heard of in
> imports but I feel new imports in the UK & US are collected & shipped from
> the same area & this pattern is now a common import.
> I have wild fish exhibiting this characteristic with a tank of young growing
> on.
> We have a nice Monrovia population with one breeder in the UK which is as
> close to Scheel's images as I can find
> I think something is going wrong with some of these old forms. We (the BKA)
> have had the Ps.annulatus Monrovia from the USA which look nothing like
> Scheel's photo's.
> Another example is Fp.nigerianus (sorry the AKA prefer gardneri) Makurdi
> which is totally messed up from the original form. I had a so called Makurdi
> which I bought at a BKA auction as Makurdi which was totally out of
> character in patterning. I tracked it down to an AKA import. This form I
> bred & isolated.
> Another Makurdi bought at a BKA auction from unknown origin looked a little
> more like the real thing but the offspring were all blue. Photo's are on my
> site under this population.
> I have 40 young growing on from these fish which I am going to photograph &
> bin.
> The true Makurdi was a heavily spotted fish but I think this is gone now. At
> least this is not in the BKA.
>
> Tim
>
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