Re: [Killietalk] Re: Dolomite

["Mark & Peta" <mbethke at socal_rr.com>]

Greetings Mark (From Mark),
We were chatting about diatomaous earth filteration. I mixed up my minerals
and called DE dolomite, my mistake. The open pit where it is mined is about
30 mintues from here. I thought I'd be cheap and get a bucketful from the
site. It turns out that the DE is much cheaper than I thought, it's the
filter that they yank my chain with, it's far too expensive for what it is .
It's just a forced filtration system.
Basically, it's a jar, with a powerhead, it forces tank water throuht a
permiable bad containing DE, it then flows back into the tank.
Simple, so why oh why do they think it's worth $80? I thought they only
overpriced boat parts (a hole in the water that you throw money into) but
some of the aquarium hardware dwarfs the boat parts . I can get a 1,200 GPH
bilge pump for under $100 and it will work like a draft horse plus they
build em out of metal, not cheap plastic. Oh well, it's time to cheak out
how they construct the DE filter and make one for myself. It ain't rocket
science...Mark B
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kingfishseven" <kingfishseven at peoplepc_com>
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:54 PM
Subject: [Killietalk] Re: Dolomite


>
> Hi all, this is actually a test to see how my new email is working.  I
also wanted to make a comment about dolomite in that it is magnesium
carbonate.  It does have a tendency to raise pH, but not like calcium
carbonate.  You would have to buy crushed coral or shells to get the more
drastic effect.  In fact, when you test for dolomite or calcium carbonate in
the field, you have to scratch the surface of the rock and apply a drop of
acid to see if it reacts.  Calcium carbonate will react to the acid without
its surface being scratched. Magnesium carbonate(dolomite) does not react so
readily to the acid.  I apologise for not knowing the context of the
dolomite and diatomaceous earth conversation was, but just jumped in to say
hello.
>
> Mark Delraso
> Columbus, Ohio
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>    1. RE: Ron Harlans' number (Joel Antkowiak)
>    2. Re: Re: DE filtration/florida (Karen Perdue)
>    3. Re: Re: DE filtration/florida (Karen Perdue)
>    4. RE: Killietalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 59 (Marshall Ostrow)
>    5. BTW: I will be in Chandler AZ next week. Any killi keepers
>       there? (David Riggs)
>    6. Re: Re: DE filtration/florida (Mark & Peta)
>    7. Re: Re: DE filtration/florida (Mark & Peta)
>    8. Affiliate club show promotion (Doug Ebeling)
>    9. In Praise of Ron Harlan (matt kaufman)
>   10. Re: John in Huntsville (Stan Perkins)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:34:07 -0500
> From: Joel Antkowiak <mrkillie at optonline_net>
> Subject: [Killietalk] RE: Ron Harlans' number
> To: killietalk at aka_org
>
> Thanks everyone who contributed. I too have had one of Ron's units in the
> past, and was quite satisfied. I am looking for a birthday present for
> someone who wants to get into discus (I'm trying to get him to come over
> from the dark side, but the dark cichlid force runs deep in him).
>
> Joel Antkowiak
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:40:39 -0500
> From: Greg Niedzielski <G_Niedzielski at compuserve_com>
> Subject: [Killietalk] Re: Ron Harlans' number
> To: killifish discussion list <killietalk at aka_org>
>
> I've had one for several years and it hasn't given me a moment's trouble.
> It's one of the best investments I ever made.
>
> -Greg Niedzielski
>
> Message text written by killifish discussion list
> >
> I bought an RO unit from Ron.  Couldn't have been more helpful.  No
> problems with the unit - over 2 years now.  Tell him your needs and he
will
> steer you to the unit best suited, without selling way too much.  At least
> that was my experience.  He was recommended to me by someone else here on
> killietalk, and I was very satisfied. (BTW-Thanks to whoever that was, I
> forget).
> The last address I had for him was:
> Back to Nature Filtration
> Owner: Ron Harlan
> 3837 Cedarbend Drive
> Glendale, CA 91214
> 818-248-7133
> 818-248-0668 FAX
> <
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:37:10 -0500
> From: "Karen Perdue" <windamyr at peoplepc_com>
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Re: DE filtration/florida
> To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
>
> Another former Floridian here, grew up in West Ft lauderdale, and
graduated
> from Plantation High.
>
> Hollywood Beach and the Broadwalk are the best, except during snowbird
> season<G>
>
> karen
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:38:48 -0500
> From: "Karen Perdue" <windamyr at peoplepc_com>
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Re: DE filtration/florida
> To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
>
>
>
> > You ought to thank the"snow birds" for bringing some money into your
> > miserable economy!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Unfortunately if you wait tables in S Florida, you're not thanking them
much
> for helping your microeconomy<G>  They don't tend to tip very well, if at
> all!
>
> Karen
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:47:59 -0600
> From: "Marshall Ostrow" <jakaeditor at bellsouth_net>
> Subject: [Killietalk] RE: Killietalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 59
> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
>
> And it was not one of the articles that passed by my eyes beforehand.
>
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>    1. TFH May 2004 (Kray, Edd)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:57:01 -0700
> From: "Kray, Edd" <Edd_Kray at rf.doe.gov>
> Subject: [Killietalk] TFH May 2004
> To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
>
>
>
> Yesterday I was pleased to receive my advance copy of the May 2004
> volume of Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine. They have produced a special
> Killifish Issue which is filled with great Killie articles. There are
> articles by Bob Morenski, Peter Tirbak, Greg Niedzelski, and  a hobbyist
> of the month profile of our own "dear" David Koran.  They have a four
> page spread on the upcoming AKA convention and ads for the AKA and the
> convention in separate places. Great cover featuring N, eggersi. (They
> sent a framed copy for auction at the convention).
>
> It should be in your mailboxes soon or at your local shops.
>
> NOTE: Marshall Ostrow did a heck of a job coordinating with them ,
> soliciting articles from us, editing the articles, finding photos, etc.
> He deserves more than pat on the back for the work he did on this. It is
> a really nice promotion of our hobby.
>
> There is one article that that, in my humble opinion, shouldn't have
> been printed in the issue, but I'll leave it to you to find it and
> control your annoyance and NOT tell its author where to go.
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:38:18 -0700
> From: "David Riggs" <davidaeriggs at hotmail_com>
> Subject: [Killietalk] BTW: I will be in Chandler AZ next week. Any
> killi keepers there?
> To: killietalk at aka_org
>
> John,
> How long will you be in Chandler? The very active local killie club, ARK
> (Arizona Rivulin Keepers), will be meeting on April 10 at 3:30 pm in
> Chandler. Will you still be in town? See our web site at:
> http://ark.aka.org
> David Riggs
> AKA
> BKA
> ARK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hladky, John" <John_Hladky at tdytsi.com>
> To: "'killifish discussion list'" <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [Killietalk] Re: DE filtration
> The other Hollywood.  The East Cost Hollywood.  Near Miami. I fly into LAX
> 3-4 times a year so I know what traffic is like on the 405.
> John in Huntsville (Alabama, where the traffic is never bad)
> BTW: I will be in Chandler AZ next week.  Any killi keepers there?
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:34:19 -0800
> From: "Mark & Peta" <mbethke at socal_rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Re: DE filtration/florida
> To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
>
> Thank you for chiming in , florida is a beautiful country, sometimes I
wish
> I could have seen the wildlife 40 yrs back, the beach in from of our condo
> had a coral reef starting about ten feet from shore, there was such beauty
> in these reefs . I have seem photos and have found long dead corals that
> were burried when hollywood and other beach towns found that they could
> generate more income from beachgoers than from  the reefs, they pumped in
> sand and covered the reef. And if they were like the other reefs in the
keys
> it was like swimming in a SW reef tank, coral everywhere , fish
everywhere.
> Boy it must have been nice... Oh well , progress moves us forward. just
> remember that next time "they" plan on a beach replenishment project.
these
> projects are totally wasteful, not only for the reef communities but the
> sand they pump in comes from off-shore and tons of wildlife from the
dredge
> zone. in only a few years or one hurricane, the sand is redeposited to
about
> the same spot they dredged it from and all that at a cost of about 1
million
> dsollars for a five mile beach...go figure. It must be a government
project,
> they are the only ones who can throw away money like that , just look at
the
> pentagon, so much money left they put in an extra wall. Mark
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Karen Perdue" <windamyr at peoplepc_com>
> To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Re: DE filtration/florida
>
>
> > Another former Floridian here, grew up in West Ft lauderdale, and
> graduated
> > from Plantation High.
> >
> > Hollywood Beach and the Broadwalk are the best, except during snowbird
> > season<G>
> >
> > karen
> >
> >
> > To join the AKA see http://www.aka.org/pages/join.html
> > Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:38:34 -0800
> From: "Mark & Peta" <mbethke at socal_rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Re: DE filtration/florida
> To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
>
> Cheers Karen, I didn't want to be the one to point that out... They just
> don't get it , you get good service , you give a tip and not a quarter.
> these poor Sob's live on their tips. We tipped 20% just because someone
has
> to make it up or we would be having to serve ourselves. just think how
> successful  that would be .. yea right.
> Sorry to those who might be offended by these statements, but Tipping is
not
> a town in china. Mark
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Karen Perdue" <windamyr at peoplepc_com>
> To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Re: DE filtration/florida
>
>
> >
> >
> > > You ought to thank the"snow birds" for bringing some money into your
> > > miserable economy!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > Unfortunately if you wait tables in S Florida, you're not thanking them
> much
> > for helping your microeconomy<G>  They don't tend to tip very well, if
at
> > all!
> >
> > Karen
> >
> >
> > To join the AKA see http://www.aka.org/pages/join.html
> > Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:49:30 -0600
> From: "Doug Ebeling" <ebeling at charter_net>
> Subject: [Killietalk] Affiliate club show promotion
> To: <killietalk at aka_org>
>
> TAKO is gearing up for our annual show and auction this July.  Every year
we
> ask ourselves what we can do to increase the attendance to both the show
and
> auction.  This year we thought to ask the Killitalk brain trust to give
> suggestions based on your experiences.  Any good ideas?  Advertising in
the
> paper, flyers at LFS, local TV coverage?  What have been your club's
> experiences?  What have you tried, and what was the success rate?
>
> Best Regards,
> Doug Ebeling
> TAKO President
> e-mail: ebeling at charter_net
> www.tako.daelarue.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 04:07:53 +0000
> From: "matt kaufman" <igotadose at hotmail_com>
> Subject: [Killietalk] In Praise of Ron Harlan
> To: killietalk at aka_org
>
> To his credit, Richard Sexton pointed me to Ron in 1990 when I started
with
> killies. I was one of his first customers for a 'supplemental pump'
system;
> I lived in a house with well water where the average water pressure was
> 35psi, far too low to make RO water. With the supplemental pump, pressure
> rose to 100psi and I got *way* more than the 10 gallons per day that I
> bought.
>
> I have had service on the RO a couple times over the 14 years I've had it
> (it's been packed away for the last year as I've moved and haven't got any
> fish just yet.) At one point, the unit actually split , another time the
> pump died and had to be replaced. Never a problem with Ron, prompt
service.
>
> Ron supports the killi hobby and the AKA, too, so he's a good guy to buy
> from.
>
> Matt
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:26:49 -0600
> From: "Stan Perkins" <stanperkins at academicplanet_com>
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] John in Huntsville
> To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
>
> John,
> Noticed that you live close to Houston(close by Texican standards). The
TAKO
> club will be having a show and auction soon so keep you eye open. Our show
> location will be easy to find for out of town member and we will make some
> announcements prior to the show.
>
> Stan Perkins
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hladky, John" <John_Hladky at tdytsi.com>
> To: "'killifish discussion list'" <killietalk at aka_org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:25 AM
> Subject: RE: [Killietalk] Re: DE filtration
>
>
> > Me too.  I lived in Hollywood Fl for 6 months.  Went to Hollywood Hills
> > High.  My family moved to Texas because my parents couldn't stand the
> > traffic.  That was 1972, I hate to think what it is like now.
> > John in Huntsville
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark & Peta [mailto:mbethke at socal_rr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:26 AM
> > To: killifish discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Re: DE filtration
> >
> >
> > Thank you Al & Richard,
> > Richard, Looks like we used to be neighbors, We lived in Hollywoode FL
for
> 6
> > yrs. We lived on ocean drive just north of the diplomate hotel. Are they
> > stil trying to finish that monstosity?
> > Anyways, good heads up on the DE. It does sound like a good idea to
> include
> > this DE filter as part of the tanks filteration system. One Question
> > though,,,, I keep reading that a DE filter is only supposed to be run
for
> a
> > few hours at a time? If this is true what are the limits or duration for
> DE
> > filtering daily. I have a 50 gl. Pretty heavy bioload.
> > THanks again, Mark
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <PB1212BBA at aol_com>
> > To: <killietalk at aka_org>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:38 AM
> > Subject: [Killietalk] Re: DE filtration
> >
> >
> > >     Hi Mark,
> > >     Be careful of what you are using! Dolomite is not the same as
> > > diatomaceous earth. Dolomite is a form of crushed calcium carbonate
and
> > will raise your
> > > pH. Diatomaceous earth is a powder used to remove fine particulates
from
> > water.
> > >     That said, you can get a 50 pound bag at a swimming pool supply
> > company
> > > for about the same price you will pay at your local fish shop for a
pint
> > of the
> > > stuff. I have used it for years with no problems. There are no
chemicals
> > > added if you buy it from this source. It is also used in gardening to
> kill
> > snails
> > > and slugs (cuts their foot when they crawl over it and causes them to
> > bleed to
> > > death) so if bought from a gardening store it may contain added
> chemicals.
> > I
> > > really don't  know about that as I have always just bought it at a
> > swimming
> > > pool place.
> > >     I do know it will get rid of your algae problem in 24 hours if
used
> in
> > > the proper filter. Good luck,
> > >
> > > Richard Arline
> > > Hollywood, Florida
> > >
> > > To join the AKA see http://www.aka.org/pages/join.html
> > > Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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