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Re: [Killietalk] RE: RE: Wild Collections Proposal (Kray, Edd)
I assume literacy was not a part of your training! I did say that he hadn't
done his homework! Anyone who travels overseas should check out the health
risks and do what is recommended to avoid such contact. I have spent close
to five years in Africa. So I speak from personal experience. I also
mentioned that no one has talked about or implied that AKA buy into this
project. Rather, it has been indicated by several people that we should
support by purchase any such project that was established. The good brothers
are old Africa hands. They have experienced staff and connections that no
one else has. Given the good Lord's help, I believe they will do what they
set out to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "matt kaufman" <igotadose at hotmail_com>
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:48 PM
Subject: [Killietalk] RE: RE: Wild Collections Proposal (Kray, Edd)
> Pay someone in Africa somewhere to dig a ditch and raise some fish?
> That assumes (I think) that you have a shovel, some land you own and paid
> off whatever scam the gov't pulls for permits. And, how do you get these
> easily raised fish into a bag (that costs money), in a box( money),
> for shipping(need to be able to read and write) and taken to the exporter
> (vehicle transit) for the plane flight (money, export licenses).
> Set up an export business? Works great till the government takes it over.
> Some years ago at an ACA convention, I chatted with Stuart Grant, the
> exporter of cichlids from Lake Malawi. Keeping the local authorities happy
> is a huge part of his job. Providing jobs for the locals and food, too,
> works for him.
> He's also got several advantages over a 'killi exporting' operation
> 1) A relatively steady supply of fish
> 2) The fish sell for enough money for him to live off of
> run his business
> 3) Abundant cheap labor; as I remember he pays
> less than $1/day to his workers, I think at the time he said it was 20
> cents. And that might've been per week
> 4) At this point, a well established operation that's very
> 5) A relatively stable government
> A good friend recently tried to set up a livebearer exporting business in
> Mexico. He's from Mexico and had rights to some drainage ponds and would
> raise the livebearers and ship to a US distributor. It didn't succeed -
> one, it's a lot more expensive to ship to the US now, and basically a lot
> unanticipated hassle plus bad weather did them in. Fortunately, he had
> outside income and resources and wasn't badly undone by the failure. And
> Mexico is much closer than Africa, and easier to ship from.
> So lets dispense with the pollyanna ideas of setting up a killi exporting
> business, unless we find a charitable sugar daddy willing to spend the
> amounts of money in the various attempts at it. It'll take more than
> currently in the AKA coffers, I suspect. Way more.
> Whoever it was that razzed Nevin about Malaria - scr*w you. Nevin's taken
> personal risk to go to Africa and introduced a number of fish into the
> through repeated trips. What have you ever done for the fish hobby? I
> imagine the biggest risk *you'll* ever take for the good of the hobby is a
> car ride to the local Petco.
> Oh yeah; whoever it was that complained about AKA keeping stuff only to
> members... The forum you're babbling on, is funded entirely by the AKA.
> Barry's list and web site is built on his time with his efforts. You
> be appreciative of what the AKA is doing for you by running this list for
> nigh onto nine years (Is that right? Or is it 10?) for *free*.
> Enough ranting for now.
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