Re: [Killietalk] Aphy bitaeniatum Ojube-Ode OR Ijebu-Ode?

[Wright Huntley <whuntley at verizon_net>]

Ronnie,

Ron @ CCK wrote:

> > From: Wright Huntley <whuntley at verizon_net>
> > At one time, I had *A. bivittatum* Ijebu Ode that may or may not have 
> > actually come (as opposed to being shipped) from that location, but 
> > truly were BIV and not BIT. They had, as I recall, the characteristic 
> > "BIV spot" at the base of the caudal that BIT never, ever have.
>
>
> Dear Wright,
> Thanks for the tip! I didn't know that but can I safely say that only 
> males have the "spot" when my female BIV doesn't?  How then can one 
> distinguish a BIV & BIT female? (they look awfully similar!)

I can't tell them apart and would be surprised if they can't hybridize, 
so caution is required. My (crude) method has been to not keep BIV and 
BIT at the same time, if possible.

> Found a link to a female BIV and it looks nothing like mine. 
> (http://viewimages.killi.net/b/BIV/Funge_C-91/)

Couldn't find a female there. 2 males with wildly different color 
editing. Both have the BIV spot that only is on the males.

> I maintain *A. BIV* Funge as well and there're some pics of that, the 
> Ijebu-Ode and my other killies at; 
> http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/fishz/Photo_Tank.html

Yep your Ijebu Ode is a BIT and not a BIV. Looks a great deal like the 
old BIT Lagos we used to have here in CA.

> > IMHO, "Ojube-Ode" is a bad spelling, and if your fish don't have a BIV 
> > spot at the base of the caudal penduncle, I would say that they are 
> > most likely correctly identified as BIT Ijebu Ode.
>
> While Googling for 'caudal penduncle', one of the links made me realize 
> you've already covered the issue with Jim Eller in 1999... (oops!)
> http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/month.9907/msg00098.html
>
> Apologies for bringing this up again for you, but I wouldn't be able to 
> find what I don't know.
>
> Also, if we're talking about 'bad spelling', (no offence to anyone, ya?) 
> shouldn't listings in FEL be verified before going to print?  That 
> surely would have cleared up alot of confusion for buyers, sellers and 
> people like me... (scrurrying quickly into a flame suit!)

I believe that locations don't get nearly as rigorous a screening as the 
genera and specific names by Bill Gallagher (F&EL Editor). It would be 
really tough to do, as the data are spread out and not as certain as 
they could be. Langton's book is not organized to make a search by 
collection name or code, and it misses a great many collections -- 
particularly the commercial imports. The species are easy, as the 
general guide for American nomenclature is the KMI4, as updated by Bill 
from more modern literature when needed. He can correct me if I got that 
wrong.

Wright

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