Re: [Killietalk] RE: Where have all the killies gone?

["David Ramsey" <djramsey at earthlink_net>]

Generalities will always get folks in trouble.
The Fundulopanchax core species maintenance program is alive, open to all
who wish to participate, and which fish are currently being worked with and
who the contact is freely available.
http://www.djramsey.com/corespecies/index.htm
I doubt that any of the members have dozens of tanks devoted to a single
species, for all the cost, space, and time requirements you have cited. But
breeding, continuing the species, and communication to anyone who will
listen is there. We do what we can.  Our first fish to work with was the Fp
walkeri GH2/74 Kutunze. Our breeding population consisted of 12 pairs. I
started with 3 of those pairs. I could probably bag up 50 pairs, breedable
age, right now. So could several others. And not because we are trying to
horde them. I would love the tank space back.  Technically we most likely do
not even come close to breeding by all the calculated 'max the gene' pool
methods that have been described. I don't know if anyone could. But the fish
is strong in the hobby, still looks pretty much like the original 1974 pics,
is a good breeder with viable eggs and strong fry. Sounds like a success
story to me!

Everytime I get involved in one of these political discussions I always
regret it. But the folks in the Fundulopanchax group should not be spoken
badly of. They are actually doing, not talking. And we encourage
participation by everyone. I think all the species maintenance groups would
feel the same way.
David Ramsey  Lawrenceville, GA
djramsey at earthlink_net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Bartell" <garybartell at sprintmail_com>
>  My $0.02: First I have been against the species maintenance project as it
> now stands for several years.
>
>   It is not managed in any way and is of no value to the average killifish
> keeper. It has been my personal experience that much data never gets
entered
> and data that is there is TOP Secret. I had an idea several years ago as
> membership chairman to incorporate the collecting of data on who is
keeping
> what with the membership roster. But when I asked for a copy of the
existing
> data I was told that members that gave a list of what they were keeping
also
> did not want anyone else to know who they were or what they were keeping.
> With this kind of mentality we have no need for any species maintenance of
> any other program dealing with the maintenance of killies.



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