You don't have to coach them, if there is peat in the tank, they've been there. Philip J. Eversman D.D.S. F.A.G.D. 9052 Log Run Drive South Indianapolis, In. 46234 Ph. 317 298-4063 pjeversman at aol_com To join the AKA see http://www.aka.org/pages/join.html Archives are at http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/