RE: [Killietalk] RE: Species aren't always so easy to distinguish....

[Chris <cgraseck at optonline_net>]

Sounds like a great course.  At 36 I'm back in school collecting biology
and chemistry prerequisites for a MST specializing in Bio.  I Just
finished Genetics and Cell and I'm getting ready Micro and Nutrition.

Cheers,
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: killietalk-bounces at aka_org [mailto:killietalk-bounces at aka_org] On
Behalf Of Brown, Diane
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 2:44 PM
To: killietalk at aka_org
Subject: [Killietalk] RE: Species aren't always so easy to
distinguish....


....true true, the DNA is not an infallible guide.....

Just reminded of the "red wolf" controversy--the question being whether
red wolves in the southwest were a true species deserving of endangered
species act protections, or just a local cross between coyotes and gray
wolves, and not a true species deserving any type of protection:
despite anatomical studies and DNA work, the controversy continues....or
at least was still raging last time I read about it.

And that's assuming you can agree on the meaning of the term species.  I
took a graduate seminar in evolutionary biology at berkeley where we
spent several weeks just discussing the meaning of "species".

--diane brown in st. louis

>-----Original Message-----
>Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 10:11:08 -0500
>From: Chris <cgraseck at optonline_net>
>Subject: RE: [Killietalk] arnoldi story
>To: "'killifish discussion list'" <killietalk at aka_org>

>Wright,

>How does one differentiate between two closely related species.  I
don't
>believe that there is any magic number of restriction fragment length
>polymorphisms (RFLPs) that determines species.  If there were it would
>take all the fun out of taxonomy.  Different species have different
>numbers of   RFLPs between them depending on how broad the gene pool of
>that species is.
>Some species, like ours (H. sapiens sapiens), have a very small gene
>pool and all members are very closely related. Where as other species
>have much broader gene pools and individuals are not as genetically
>similar.

>I know you are a dog person so lets use this for instance, according to
>Coppinger, et al, it is not possible to differentiate between Dog,
wolf,
>Coyote, and Jackal DNA.  The line between species is too vague.  They
>share too many genes and the distribution of genes is somewhat random
>among the whole group.

>I'm far from an expert on this so please correct me if I'm mistaken.
>Actually I'm not disagreeing with your hypothesis I just don't think we
>are at the point where we can say this male is not the same species as
>this female when those species are very closely related.

>Cheers,

>Chris  


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