Re: [Killietalk] Re:was Fry with velvet- medicinal dyes and plants

["Ron Schulz" <beemster at bestweb_net>]

Hi Scott,
  I have two distinct hornwort  species that I believe to be a form of C.
demersum and C, submersum. My plant book (Rataj and Horeman) mentions that
C. demersum has two forked leaves and C. submersum has three forked leaves.
My two species correspond to that. The C. submersum species is much more
decorative .....at least in my tanks.
..................................................................Ron

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "unclescott" <unclescott at prodigy_net>
To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:10 PM
Subject: [Killietalk] Re:was Fry with velvet- medicinal dyes and plants


> >... which dyes?  I love hornwort!
>
> In my modest experience, Methylene blue was particularly effective on
> hornwort. In livebearer tanks it was used to treat the infrequent case of
> ich. The hornwort had less than 20 minutes. :(
>
> I have less experience with the other dyes. Acriflavin and Java moss have
> met because of my affection (affliction?) for killies. I would consider
dyes
> a risk until proven otherwise. I'll bet somewhere on the Net or plant
lists,
> someone has put something of an incompatibility list together.
>
> Your hornwort thoughts also resonate with me. In the northern U.S. we get
> some really ratty hornwort which looks like it was dredged out of a local
> pickeral lake and brought to the LFS.
>
> In 1959 (or was that 1859?) I took all my paper route earnings amd
purchased
> some really full and fine leaved hornwort which stayed in the organization
> up until it was mugged by a wave of unrestrained Najas last year. I liked
it
> because it didn't die back at in the winter, was  a lighter green
> (reminiscent of spring colors) than many of the hornworts (hued like pine
> trees in winter) and had the allelopathic ability to keep algae away from
> it.
>
> Assumed it had a Gulf Coast, Floridan or Carribean origin because it
looked
> great even in the heat of summer. We used to kid about it being pre-Castro
> (Fidel) hornwort.
>
> I certainly wouldn't mind swapping a Spath start (the plant which ate Park
> Forest) or something else for a start of such a hornwort. It should do
fine
> with a few livebearers or several of the North American and Mediterranean
> killies.
>
> Christel Kasselmann's Aquarium Plants (a book all plant enthusiasts should
> have asked Santa for) does mention two cosmopolitan species -
Ceratophyllum
> demersum and C. submersum. A study she alludes to lists four varieties and
> three forms (?) of the former species and two subspecies with five
varieties
> of the latter - which is even more tolerant of warmth than the former
> species.
>
> Both species are found all over the world, from near Notho country in
Africa
> to points in the U.S. None of the photos in the book matched my old
strain.
>
> www.h-nds.de/pflanzen/ ceratophyllum_demersum.jpg
> comes close to that old strain, but is still too rigid.
>
> Don't have time for much of a google search, but "I'm Feeling Lucky"
> suggests there are three species of hornwort in Florida. We thought we had
> taxonomic issues with killies! ;)
> http://aquat1.ifas.ufl.edu/cedepic.html
>
> I'd  really be interested in what they say on the plants list.
>
> Thanks and all the best!
>
> Scott
>
> > Which leads me to wondering -  the local hornwort (New Orleans)
disappears
> > during winter, the terminal buds becoming dense and sinking to the
bottom.
> > Is the aquarium hornwort a different species, or does the sinking-bud
> > phenomenon occur only if the temperature drops enough?  I'll ask this on
> > some aquatic-plant lists also.
> >
> > Kenneth Quinn
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