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Re: [Killietalk] Re: Killietalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 20
Thanks Nick!
Stan Perkins
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Ternes" <woodland_gardens at sbcglobal_net>
To: "killifish discussion list" <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Re: Killietalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 20
> Selective breeding is still gene manipulation.
>
> Andy Langione <DMB91 at msn_com> wrote:The guppies, bettas and swordtails you
speak about are not genetically manipulated. They a sports of the original
species. In the case of the parrot fish, I will agree they are really ugly.
But they are actually culls that should have been destroyed. They're also a
hybrid. The glofish have actual genes from other organisms implanted into
their biological make-up. This is totally different than what you describe
with the bettas etc.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stan Perkins
> To: killifish discussion list
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Killietalk] Re: Killietalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 20
>
>
> Is there any difference between these gene manipulated fish and the gene
> manipulated guppies, bettas, swordfish, and platies now on the market? I
> think not!! This is a change in technology not a violation of nature. Mike
> is right look at the anglefish, goldfish, and even worse, the new trend in
> the hobby, the "Parrot fish". A real genetic horror if ever I saw one.
These
> are the fish a good fish keeper euthanizes as soon as the disabilities are
> visible.
>
> I like this system better that another current trend - dyeing fish. That
is
> an abortion and should be stopped. I wonder how many fish die during the
> dyeing process?
>
> 'Nuf said!. I hope this thread is replaced with something more
interesting.
> Here a question for the group.
>
> Are some Notho's more temperature sensitive than others? If so let's talk
> about good temperatures for long term breeding success.
>
> Stan Perkins
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Jacobs"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:22 PM
> Subject: [Killietalk] Re: Killietalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 20
>
>
> > Folks.................the Glofish is NOT steril. I
> repeat...............NOT
> > steril. It will be interesting to see just who is the first to be sued
> and
> > if the suit will be successful but it will go to court probably because
> they
> > not only breed but the are every bit as hardy as the original if not
more
> > so. 5-D purchased their orginal stock of eggs from the original company
> and
> > their total stock, not now in the 100's not in the 1000's but now much
> much
> > much larger, with lots of zeros, than that is from the original set of
> eggs
> > that were sent to them........oh yes they will breed.........and just
like
> > the changes in discus, angelfish and other fishes that most of us won't
> buy,
> > they, the Glofish, are in fact very very
> > attractive........hardy............and will be a big hit! I understand
> the
> > difference between the genetic altrering of the zebra to give the
Glofish
> > but I really don't think the "altered" bettas, guppies and the rest are
a
> > 'long' shot from these fish................and quite frankly I
personally
> > see them as much more acceptable to the hobby than some of the angelfish
> > that can barely swim and keep their majestic dorsal fins erect. The
> > picture on the front of TFH is EXACTLY what they look like!
> >
> > I really think the most interesting part of the whole episode is the
> veiled
> > threat of being sued if you breed and sell the fish. Has that ever been
> > tried before...................sueing people that is for breeding a
> > particular fish? I'm a math teacher not a lawyer but that seems almost
> > impossible................if not silly...........and only the lawyers
will
> > profit!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > P.S. .............................by the way, I will have some of the
NEW
> > Aphyolebias sp. "Rio Itaya"....Wild (F0) and Aphyolebias
> > peruensis..........Wild (F0)................they have been promised in
> > 'GREAT' shape!.............to be shipped early next week! Sorry for the
> > blantant add but some people have been asking about them............You
> guys
> > have a great day!
> >
> >
> > Mike Jacobs
> > SOUTHERN APISTOS:
> > Apistogramma Species Plus more...
> > http://www.southernapistos.com
> > http://www.tbas1.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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