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Re: On Line Listing-collecting trips
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- Subject: Re: On Line Listing-collecting trips
- From: "Erny May" <emay1 at wi_rr.com>
- Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:43:27 -0500
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I am in complete agreement Bobby! You make excellent points. This is
a note worthy discussion and has been exemplary in that it lacks the rancor
so many of the past discussions have had.
----- Original Message -----
From: <RuevenM at aol_com>
To: <killietalk at AKA_Org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:20 AM
Subject: On Line Listing-collecting trips
> The more I read about the ideas for these collecting trips the more I
> opposed to them. I wish I had been at the convention as I would have
> loud and clear in the negative. My first question is what species of
> are we going to get that is so desirable or so unavailable that we simply
> have it? I can think of maybe Notho. polli or a new collection of N.
> but who in their right mind would go where they are found! We obviously
> the old red occidentalis but who is going into that war zone? Same for
> kywaensis (spelling)! If these trips are to find new species -- please. A
> avaialble species is the least of the killie hobby's problems. Let the
> and universities do their job in that area -- or private trips by
> who wish to extend their hobby into collecting new species as part of
> I see this whole idea as a big waste of time, energy, volunteers and
> money. There are so many other areas where the AKA can put its resources.
> why not publish a big, all inclusive, color photo filled popular press
> information killie book!!!!!!! Let that bring us members. Why not give
> break and hire a computer professional to redo our online presence so all
> people's passwords or whatever can work with the sight and to configure it
> could have discussion forums open to anyone and not just killitalk and
> set up an on line F&EL. It is not right to ask Barry to do all this. That
> should have a paycheck of some sort.
> The convention might have been a bad place to float a collecting trip
> idea. Everyone is seeing collecting presentations and thinking about new
> naturally collecting trips will sound neato keeno.
> The problem will killie distribution is we have a Model T system in a
> supersonic world and it is time for real change. Also, the problem is
> so busy they do not have time to raise enough fish or to deal with the
> office and mailing. We live in a more selfish age than the 60's and 70's
> self-centeredness is celebrated and worshiped. It is harder to get people
> do hobby stuff. Hopefully, an on line list would help distribute those 3-4
> extra pairs if not those 20-30 of yesteryear.
> Lastly, why not use Toyin for imports? He is African. He has
> Why not work with him instead of against him? He is potentially a greater
> resource than he is now.
> The modern interconnected world offers so many potential solutions to
> these issues that there is no need for anyone to be left out of an on line
> presence or for anyone to leave the comfort of home to obtain wild or new
> killies. Why not find ways to make a global killie hobby work for us.
> I believe the urge for making collecting trips and the obsession for
> exact location labels has overwhelmed other more important aspects of the
> hobby these last 10 years. I have been around some killie hobbyists who
> their nose in the air if you have not also collected in the field and the
> "aqaurium strain" might as well be replaced by "ghetto." Of course, some
> these same people coud not keep a strain of guppies alive past 1
> their tanks are small, flithy, unfiltered and filled with diseased fish --
> but they have waded through African mudpuddles and know their location
> numbers and towns.
> The N&RSC may be a Model T too. There are so many species out there
> so many people go collecting today that a centralized committee may just
> unnecessary. Why should someone devote many tanks to essentially
> fish? There was a need for that in the old days but not now. Again, the
> has passed that method by. It's time to let it go.
> Bobby Ellermann
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