Re: F&EL

["Theodore P Klotz" <tpklotz at dreamscape_com>]

Hi All,
         Think its time I added my 2 cents. As a former chairman and BOT
member ( a few times)in the last 10 years, I (along with Lee) was involved
in nurturing this process from the inception of the web site.At the time and
I hate to say it,we knew this problem would eventually become a reality. Our
goal was to preserve as much of the old AKA as possible but at the same time
approach the future with an open mind. With the inception of the web site we
knew over time we would eventualy have to have an on-line F&E listing. With
the majority of the new membership coming from the internet, time itself was
the factor. Perhaps the time has arrived. My only request is to keep the non
computer illiterate member in mind and leave him some avenue in which to
pursue his hobby also.

            I have also been a supporter of the AKA F&E listing for many
years as most will well remember.Along with many of the other mentioned
reasons for the demise of this list I think todays' society bears some
weight also. In our fast modern world anything that takes time is a nono. To
list the old way takes time.
Hence people wont bother with it.It is far easier to use ones computer for
all fish related business.

Some of the reasons I stopped listing were:

1) The afore mentioned lag time. When the fish are ready , they are ready.

2) Towards the end of my listing period, I stopped adding my phone
number.Unusual phone calls at 2 am , well need i say more.

3) Believe it or not , very few orders. Dispite ads with rare fish
offered.Orders I did receive, nine times out of 10 , were seen in the F&E
list and confirmed with Email.Along a related line here, I chose to ONLY
advertise in the F&E listing the AKA offered. I have nothing against Aquabid
or any other entity but here is where my perhaps dumb loyalty to the AKA
entered the picture.Need less to say I lost orders in doing,so but I
persisted.Another feature of todays' society
is the I want a deal "syndrome". Bidding on a fish is cheaper sometimes than
ordering at a set price.On the other side of this coin , you can also pay
alot more for a pair.

        Just a few reasons above, there are a few more, but enough. I think
we have arrived at the time when we need to seriously consider a program
which will allow for immediate editing of said listings,perhaps with a
counter to adjust the number available, spell checker etc. lets do it right,
If we do not I see the AKA riding off into the sunset , never to be seen
again. My only hope is we maintain some form of access for the non computer
folk. I am a member of a local group also but above all I am a member of the
AKA and will continue to support it. Without it the killie hobby would again
be mired in the dark ages.
That is the reason I listed in the F&E listing and only the AKA's listing.

        Nuff said off the soap box I am.
Respecfully submitted,

Ted



----- Original Message -----
From: <LeeH920226 at aol_com>
To: <killietalk at AKA_Org>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: F&EL


>
> In a message dated 3/10/03 8:15:00 AM, fraulels at videotron_ca writes:
>
> << I'll be the devil's advocate and say "let's leave it as is". I'm not
> sure why people are so passionate about tweaking the system here - I
> don't order from the BNL because I can't, for reasons of "postal
> geography". >>
>
> I agree. There are possibly things that could be done to encourage the use
of
> the F&EL in  the BNL, but also there are other ways to exchange or
purchase
> or sell fish. All of them have their place in the scheme of things. All
will
> work for some people, not for others. Everyone will find a way to get
fish. I
> am fortunate to be close to many local killifish groups and that is my way
to
> get and give fish. Others live close to good importers, or live close to
> native killifish collecting sites and others need to rely on mail order
> purchases. The AKA cannot optimize just one of these but should encourage
all
> of them.
>     The one area that is not used much is matching of lonely hearts. In
> theory this can be done by F&EL, but seldom is. In theory, it could be
done
> by this email list, but seldom is. It could be done through Killitrader
and
> that is also underutilized. Or, maybe I am wrong and I am the only person
> with single males and single females of a species.
>
>     Speaking of which I have a couple of beautiful males of Callopanchax
> occidentalis SL89 Ngabu that need a female or two.
>
> Lee Harper
> Media, PA
> USA
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