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Re: Fish Room Question



  Just a consideration....you might want to look at steel units. Just as an
example, I bought a 4 shelf (7 ft long by 24 in wide by 7 ft high) rack for
$115.. Add an xtra $20 for cheap plywood shelving and the total cost was
$135. Each adjustable shelf holds 1250 lbs and requires no X bracing. Each
shelf hold 8 std 10 gal tanks
(short way) for a  rack total of (32) 10 gal tanks. Of course, you could
have a combination of many size tanks as well. Plus, there is a large choice
of different size units. Another one I have  (7ft by 48in by 12 in) has 5
adjustable shelves . Each shelf holds (7) 2.5 gal tanks (short way) for a
single ($83) rack total of 35 tanks. If you go floor to ceiling, you can add
($13) a sixth shelf. These steel units are very good if space is a premium
as there is virtually no unused space. A bit expnsive but they make VERY
nice units which can be set up or knocked down and moved in minutes with
only a rubber mallet. I like and reccomend them.
.................................................................Ron

http://www.shelving-direct.com/

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From: "Larry O'Byrne" <obyrnel at msn_com>
To: <KillieTalk at AKA_Org>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:23 PM
Subject: Fish Room Question


I am building a fish room in my new house and I wanted to know the best
construction method of the stands. I am building them out of 2x4's but is
there a general plan that I should be following?

Thanks

Larry

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KillieTalk Digest       Friday, January 31 2003       Volume 05 : Number 052



In this issue:

More Water questions
Killifish Conservation - N. whitei
Re: Killifish Conservation
AW: More Water questions
RE: Killiefish in Mexico - Cancun/cautionary
Re: Killifish Conservation - N. whitei
Re: IRON
Convention trophys
Blood worms
AW: Killifish Conservation - N. whitei

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:01:53 -0800 (PST)
From: michael herrera <killimike at yahoo_com>
Subject: More Water questions

Hello everyone,

It is Mike once again asking all the experienced killimen and women out
there for a little more helpful advice.  I was wondering at what KH
(hardness) do you keep your Nothobranchius?  Water here in San Antonio is
very hard (10-12 KH ).  I have read 4-5 KH is ok, while others have gone
lower than that.

Question #2:  What type of systems do you have for your killies?  My Nothos
are on non-circulating tanks.  Do some of you use circulating water systems?
With or without airlines to air rate the water.  My fish didn't like the
constant water movement.  Just trying to pick the brains of people who have
been there before.




Mike





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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:54:53 +0100
From: "Erik Pfingstner" <erikpfingstner at freenet_de>
Subject: Killifish Conservation - N. whitei

Hi David,

Do you have an idea which generation from the wild your strain is?

Does someone know where this rumor comes from that the fish stemming from
"barra de Sao Joao" is not nematolebias whitei but another species? Is there
any writen literature on this or any scientific examination of this fish
showing the differences?

Erik


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]Im
> Auftrag von David Lains
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2003 22:53
> An: killietalk at aka_org
> Betreff: RE: Killifish Conservation
>
>
> Hi Erik
>
> I have a large batch of N. whitei Barra de soa joao.  It has been
> rumored to
> be a different species... (I can't tell a difference between my aquarium
> strain and the location).
>
> Best fishes
> David
>
> ><{{{>-----Original Message-----
> ><{{{>From: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
> ><{{{>Behalf Of Erik Pfingstner
> ><{{{>Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 1:29 PM
> ><{{{>To: killietalk at aka_org
> ><{{{>Subject: AW: Killifish Conservation
> ><{{{>
> ><{{{>
> ><{{{>Yes, but the main thing is to maintain the genetic pool as large as
> ><{{{>possible. This is best done having groups to spawn and
> ><{{{>interchanging eggs
> ><{{{>with other keepers of the same fish. Dan Hatz is coordinating the
> ><{{{>maintenance efforts on Simpsonichtys marginatus and he is
> ><{{{>doing his job!
> ><{{{>
> ><{{{>Which other fish are currently on a maintenance programm?
> ><{{{>
> ><{{{>Myself I have started helping on the marginatus project. I am
> ><{{{>also running a
> ><{{{>own project on the albino form of Nematolebias whitei. This
> ><{{{>fish is being
> ><{{{>inbred since many generations (since the sixties as I
> ><{{{>understood) and has
> ><{{{>become difficult to keep due to this. The albino strain of
> ><{{{>whitei is thus at
> ><{{{>risk of disapearing slowly from the hobby due to genetic
> ><{{{>inbreeding. I am
> ><{{{>currently crossing these albinos with 2 different strains
> of normally
> ><{{{>colored whitei. The purpose is to isolate again a new pure
> ><{{{>strain of abinos
> ><{{{>with better health and vitality. However I only have 2
> ><{{{>different aquarium
> ><{{{>strains of whitei.
> ><{{{>
> ><{{{>Does someone have a whitei strain with location (best F0 or
> ><{{{>F1) or a whitei
> ><{{{>strain which is particularly nice and healthy? That could
> help a lot.
> ><{{{>
> ><{{{>By the way, albino whitei is a very pretty fish! It is worth
> ><{{{>the trouble!
> ><{{{>
> ><{{{>Erik
> ><{{{>
> ><{{{>
> ><{{{>
> ><{{{>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> ><{{{>> Von: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]Im
> ><{{{>> Auftrag von Morris, George
> ><{{{>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2003 20:55
> ><{{{>> An: 'killietalk at aka_org'
> ><{{{>> Betreff: RE: Killifish Conservation
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>> Right on Harry.  Surely every serious hobbyist could find the
> ><{{{>> tank space to
> ><{{{>> adopt one species and commit to it for a couple of years.
> ><{{{>> GM
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>> -----Original Message-----
> ><{{{>> From: AUS62 at aol_com [mailto:AUS62 at aol_com]
> ><{{{>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 1:45 PM
> ><{{{>> To: killietalk at aka_org
> ><{{{>> Subject: AW: Killifish Conservation
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>> Thanks to Roger Langton, the conservation of killifish under
> ><{{{>> auspices of the
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>> KCC has been brought to the attention of the members of
> ><{{{>killietalk once
> ><{{{>> more.
> ><{{{>> This should be uppermost in our thoughts constantly as the AKA
> ><{{{>> remains the
> ><{{{>> prime source of this group of fish today. Our hobby will
> ><{{{>become even more
> ><{{{>> vital to the future existence of killies as more and more natural
> ><{{{>> habitats
> ><{{{>> are altered or destroyed. I fear much of the discussion has
> ><{{{>been directed
> ><{{{>> toward the problems of a loosely organized group
> ><{{{>maintaining killies. We
> ><{{{>> really should be concentrating on what we CAN DO as hobbyists and
> ><{{{>> members of
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>> the AKA.
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>> Gary C. Sutcliff, "Preserving Genetic Diversity in
> Killifish Species
> ><{{{>> Maintenance" in JAKA, 25 (3)93-101 (1992) is a seminal
> ><{{{>article outlining
> ><{{{>> genetic diversity. It is a must for anyone interested in long term
> ><{{{>> maintenance as it explains genetic drift and describes a
> ><{{{>program for long
> ><{{{>> term maintenance with the goal of genetic diversity.
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>> As coordinator of the mesaphyosemion group of killies I have been
> ><{{{>> struggling
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>> to obtain volunteers to step forward and organize a group
> ><{{{>of breeders of
> ><{{{>> specific species of mesaphyosemions. Surely many folks have
> ><{{{>wonderful
> ><{{{>> species
> ><{{{>> and know other good breeders of these fish. I personally
> ><{{{>> coordinate a group
> ><{{{>> maintaining the chocolate Aphyosemion australe. On the average of
> ><{{{>> every two
> ><{{{>> years we exchange fish among others in the group. As
> ><{{{>coordinator I advise
> ><{{{>> the
> ><{{{>> exchanges to maintain genetic diversity. It simply requires
> ><{{{>one maintain
> ><{{{>> healthy killies and follow the lead of a coordinator in
> ><{{{>exchanging fish.
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>> Anyone willing to form a group under the KCC to breed one of the
> ><{{{>> mesaphyose-mions, please contact me in person. For other groups
> ><{{{>> of killifish
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>> it is necessary to contact different coordinators. The important
> ><{{{>> thing is to
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>> get involved; join the KCC.
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>Harry Specht
> ><{{{>>
> ><{{{>Sarasota, Fl
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:31:49 -0500
From: "George Davis" <gwd at magpage_com>
Subject: Re: Killifish Conservation

Hi Harry,
    For those of us who can't keep track of all the name changes, could you
tell us what fish are in the mesaphyosemion group.  I think that I may have
some, and would like to help in your maintenance effort.

George Davis
Wilmington, De

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:19:02 +0100
From: "Erik Pfingstner" <erikpfingstner at freenet_de>
Subject: AW: More Water questions

Hi Mike,

KH 10-12 is actually medium hard water, not really hard. I am keeping all my
killies in such water including notho Kortausae, Guentheri and Rachovii.
Some wells in Germany yield water with 30-40 KH. That is hard water!

There are perhaps some Nothos who will not do well in water of 10-12 KH but
I dont know which ones.

#2: my nothos are in 2 different types of tanks: some tanks with wet-dry
filters sitting on top of the tank (no current, lots of oxygen, rain-drop
effect - they like it) and some have a foam filter covering one whole side
of the tank. This set-up creates a current in the water. Yet there are
always quiet places in the tanks. The fish grow good and are healthy. You
can reduce the current next to zero by having the water fall on a piece of
foam.

Erik


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]Im
> Auftrag von michael herrera
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2003 23:02
> An: killilist
> Betreff: More Water questions
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>  It is Mike once again asking all the experienced killimen and
> women out there for a little more helpful advice.  I was
> wondering at what KH (hardness) do you keep your Nothobranchius?
> Water here in San Antonio is very hard (10-12 KH ).  I have read
> 4-5 KH is ok, while others have gone lower than that.
>
> Question #2:  What type of systems do you have for your killies?
> My Nothos are on non-circulating tanks.  Do some of you use
> circulating water systems? With or without airlines to air rate
> the water.  My fish didn't like the constant water movement.
> Just trying to pick the brains of people who have been there before.
>
>
>
>
>                                               Mike
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:30:34 -0500
From: "Bruce  J. Turner" <fishgen at vt_edu>
Subject: RE: Killiefish in Mexico - Cancun/cautionary

I would strongly caution anyone against trying to do any serious collecting
in Mexico without a permit. In previous years, if one had only a few fish,
there was seldom any problem.  In fact, for many years the only people who
asked me for a Mexican collecting permit were the US Customos agents when I
crossed the border on my return... In the last few years, that situation
has changed, and Mexican officials at the borders have become increasingly
proactive and savy about collecting, endangered species, permits, etc. This
is especially true when one crosses the border in a car or van.  Several of
my colleagues have experienced long delays, or the confiscation of their
catch, or been charged "fines" etc. In one instance, the collector even had
a permit but got stopped anyway while the permit was being "authenticated"
by calls to Mexico City, etc.  I haven't heard of any US biologists getting
stopped "in country" rather than at the border, but a MEXICAN colleague,
with permits to cover all contingencies, did have trouble in one area when
he unwittingly fished on property belonging to the local farm cooperative.
The people running this palce did not recognize the right of the Mexican
government to issue permits for waters that on their farm, even though the
the farm itself is a kind of federal  government agency.  Rather than get
involved in endless hassles, my colleague left without collecting anything.
My advice:look but don't take, unless you have the permit or are working
with someone who does.

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**

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Assoc. Professor of Biology
VPISU, Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540)-231-7444
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:55:27 -0800
From: Wright Huntley <jwwiii at pacbell_net>
Subject: Re: Killifish Conservation - N. whitei

Erik Pfingstner wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> Do you have an idea which generation from the wild your strain is?
>
> Does someone know where this rumor comes from that the fish stemming from
> "barra de Sao Joao" is not nematolebias whitei but another species? Is
there
> any writen literature on this or any scientific examination of this fish
> showing the differences?

I may be the guilty party. I asked about it a while back, as I was sure
my barra de sao joao were a lot different from my old DKG-origin maroon
whitei. [I think I was incorrect and they truly are *whitei*.]

I have no live fish, right now, but should hatch soon some that are
roughly F8-10 from barra de sao joao. They are quick gestators so we
have a lot of generations in this line from Cal Him to Wayland Lee to Me
to Royal Ingersoll to Sue Bunte. Of those, I think only Wayland did not
keep them long enough to breed any.

Wright

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:34:00 -0500
From: "Jay Moylan" <moylanj at bellsouth_net>
Subject: Re: IRON

If you ever do get any iron deposits on tanks or equipment that you want to
remove, Home Depot sells a product (I think it's called Rust-Away- I'm not
sure because we are currently out of it.) that instantly dissolves rust.
Just use it when you do a normal cleaning of an empty tank and rinse well.
We use it to remove sprinkler stains from our house, fences, and cars.  So
far, it seems non-toxic even to our many garden amphibians.

Jay Moylan


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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:40:26 -0500
From: "Karl Doering" <kilikarl at bignet_net>
Subject: Convention trophys

Leo Long Belongs to the Michigan group & did all the carvings .He ask me to
check if they want to use him this year??? If some one on the list knows
contact me off list .Thanks


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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:03:25 -0800
From: Mark Mackenzie <mark at mackenziesystems_com>
Subject: Blood worms

Has anyone ever tried culturing blood worms before?  I have a tub outside
with some 1/4" larvae in it right now and would love to be able to raise
more from them or some how get some egg sacks of Chironomus riparius to get
a culture going.

On another note I have A. splendoplure Econdotiti and it looks nothing like
the A. splendoplure Econdo Titi on the link
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D2B942643
Mine is very colorful with its whole body a mix of reds blues and greens
and the one on the link is not at all as colorful, in fact I dont think I
have seen a picture of any Chromaphyosemion as full of color as it is,
ever. Does anyone know if the two species are the same or different because
of the very similar name?
Thanks in advance.
Mark Mackenzie

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:06:06 +0100
From: "Erik Pfingstner" <erikpfingstner at freenet_de>
Subject: AW: Killifish Conservation - N. whitei

Hi guilty wright,

The court shall now sit and find its findings!-)))

Thanks for the data, Wright. It does clear things up. Does anyone have any
objections as to put this subject ad acta? Does any one have any data
concerning the fish not being actual whitei?

Erik


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-killietalk at aka_org [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]Im
> Auftrag von Wright Huntley
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2003 23:55
> An: killietalk at aka_org
> Betreff: Re: Killifish Conservation - N. whitei
>
>
>
>
> Erik Pfingstner wrote:
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Do you have an idea which generation from the wild your strain is?
> >
> > Does someone know where this rumor comes from that the fish
> stemming from
> > "barra de Sao Joao" is not nematolebias whitei but another
> species? Is there
> > any writen literature on this or any scientific examination of this fish
> > showing the differences?
>
> I may be the guilty party. I asked about it a while back, as I was sure
> my barra de sao joao were a lot different from my old DKG-origin maroon
> whitei. [I think I was incorrect and they truly are *whitei*.]
>
> I have no live fish, right now, but should hatch soon some that are
> roughly F8-10 from barra de sao joao. They are quick gestators so we
> have a lot of generations in this line from Cal Him to Wayland Lee to Me
> to Royal Ingersoll to Sue Bunte. Of those, I think only Wayland did not
> keep them long enough to breed any.
>
> Wright
>
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>
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>
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