Edd, I'd be interested in knowing how the NOBS works for you. I've seen the website and was curious about their product. Also, anyone know how NOBS compares with Golden Pearls? Tom Stubblefield SW Missouri Ozarks --------------- See http://www.aka.org/AKA/subkillietalk.html to unsubscribe Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/AKA/Applic.htm