Thanks

["Brian Perkins" <btec11 at attbi_com>]

All,

Thanks must go out to those who have contributed fish to our second
annual Killifish show coming up here in Portland on the 21st. There is
still plenty of time to get your show fish to me for this event. Any
correspondence regarding this show can be sent off list to me at:

btec11 at attbi_com

Or consult your latest BNL for more info. 

Cheers,

Northwest Killies
Brian Perkins, President
West Linn, OR 
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KillieTalk Digest    Wednesday, September 11 2002    Volume 04 : Number
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In this issue:

	RE: The culture of microworms
	Re: BOT Election
	RE: The culture of microworms Al Brown
	paper towels and harvesting microworms
	Re: The culture of microworms
	micro worms
	micro worms
	Re: AW: The culture of microworms
	Re: The culture of microworms
	Spawning Lampeyes
	Ballast
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	fish for trade
	RE: The culture of microworms Al Brown

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:38:22 -0500
From: "Ron Golland" <see62 at ync_net>
Subject: RE: The culture of microworms

Try using a strip of paper from a coffee filter. Wet the strip and lay
it on the culture. After about an hour you can rinse the worms off into
a cup of water and feed your fry. I got this tip off of the WAKO web
site. Ron

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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:37 PM
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Subject: The culture of microworms


<PRE>Hello fellow killiekeepers. I have a question about culturing
techniques for microworms. Presently, I am raising a large number of
killie fry and I need a reliable supply of microworms. I have four or
five cultures going now but I can't harvest very many. In otherwords,
the microworms don't crawl up on the sides of the plastic container in
large numbers, at least not consistently. My method is to make a slurry
of Gerbers barley baby cereal and place it in a one pint plastic deli
container. I don't add any yeast. I have roughed up the edges of the
container with sandpaper. I keep the lid on tight. Sometimes I stir the
mixture each day. Sometimes the worms crawl up the sides and sometimes
they don't. When you observe each culture the surface of the culture is
swarming with microworms. Has anyone experimented to determine the
conditions necessary to force the worms up the sides of the container.
Do the worms crawl up the sides when the conditions are "good" or "Bad"?
How long does it take for a new culture to crawl up the sides? Any
suggestions? Nevin in St. Louis.
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:22:52 -0700
From: Barry Cooper <bjc3 at cornell_edu>
Subject: Re: BOT Election

At present you can't vote online. The reasons are: 1) The BOT has not
asked 
for it to be developed 2) providing assurance that only legitimate
members 
can vote and that they can only vote once. There are ways to do that,
but 
it is complex.

Barry

At 09:36 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>This may have been brought up recently, but I don't read every post 
>(sorry). But, can I vote "on-line" at AKA.org? And, in not, why not?
>
>cheers,
>bill
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:02:02 -0700
From: owner-killietalk at aka_org (by way of Barry Cooper
<bjc3 at cornell_edu>)
Subject: RE: The culture of microworms Al Brown

I keep six cultures of microworms in plastic 4x4 inch containers with an
air
tight lid. I start a new culture every Saturday morning and feed the
oldest
(six weeks) culture to my daphnae and white worm cultures. I have kept
them
going this way for close to 30 years. I tried it with and without yeast.
I
see no difference. I use Gerbers oatmeal baby food. I can control the
speed
of the culture maturing by making the mixture thin (watery) or a very
thick
paste. The thicker the paste the longer it takes for the culture to
mature
and produce in quantity. I cut small pieces of wood 3" x 3/4" x 3/4". I
boil
them in water until they are water logged and sink. I have been using
the
same pieces of wood for years. I place two wood strips into the bottom
of the
culture about an inch apart. The oatmeal paste is lower than the top of
the
piece of wood. I use a flat end wooden tongue scraper to scrape the flat
surface of the wood. It is covered in microworms without any cereal as a
contaminant. I can feed from the same culture twice a day. Over the
years I
have fed and raised thousands of angel fish on these microworms. I never
use
brine shrimp (too much of a bother) I am now using microworms to feed my
notho fry. It works great.

Al Brown
Middletown, NJ 


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:30:52 EDT
From: RuevenM at aol_com
Subject: paper towels and harvesting microworms

Hi Nevin,

    Place a piece of one of the sturdier paper towels, slightly damp, on
top 
of the microworm culture medium. The worms will cover the paper towel
within 
a day. Carefully pull the paper towel up and rinse the worms into a bowl
of 
water. Place a new slightly damp paper towel on top of the culture for
the 
next day. This allows you to get alot of the worms out of the medium. I
use 
canolope rinds to collect my grindal worms. Just place one on the
grindal  
worms, sprinkle dry baby food oatmeal on top of the rind. The worms come
to 
eat the meal and fruit and cover the rind. Just pick the rind up and
rinse 
the worms into a bowl of water. You can get tons of grindals this way
all 
clean and ready to go. The rind might work on the microworms too. I
don't 
know how they would go after sprinkled dry oatmeal.

Robert
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:38:36 -0500
From: "Terry Ryan" <cyberdiver at insightbb_com>
Subject: Re: The culture of microworms

The method that Keith Denson eludes to is explained in much detail on
the
following webpage:       http://www.petfish.net/max-micro.htm
This appears to be a breakthrough method for the person who needs to
harvest
large amounts of microworms.  It's worth a visit to this site.

Good Luck,  Terry Ryan



> Subject: Re: The culture of microworms
>
>
> >
> >   I seldom have the necessity to harvest many
> micro worms, but if you want
> > to have a lot crawl up the sides of your
> container, put the container with
> > the worms on something that is warm, but not
> hot, you don't want to bake
> > them, but soon because of the warmth, they will
> be crawling up the sides.
> > Use this method.  Of course the culture may not
> last as long as it would if
> > you didn't do this.  This method worked for me.
> It may for you too.
> >   Sincerely,
> >   Bro. Paul
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> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:24:02 +0100
> From: "Keith Denson" <kaydee1938 at hotmail_com>
> Subject: Re: The culture of microworms
>
> Hi Nevin,
>         Try this. When you see the surface crawling with
> worms,cut a peice of kitchen paper to nearly the size of the
> surface. Put it on the surface and wet it a little. A few hours
> later or maybe next day the surface of the paper will be crawling
> with worms.You can now remove as many as you like,with a small paint
> brush,without the risk of contaminating the tank water with the
> Gerber mix.
> Keith


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:44:27 -0400
From: "James Randall" <rover1043 at msn_com>
Subject: micro worms

Hi ,recently I discovered this site: petfish.net . There is a great
article on harvesting them and some other good tips .well worth checking
out. Jim Randall


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:08:01 -0400
From: "James Randall" <rover1043 at msn_com>
Subject: micro worms

I guess terry and I had the same thought.  Jim Randall

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:34:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Flaherty Daniel <dannydi0 at yahoo_com>
Subject: Re: AW: The culture of microworms

If nobody here mentioned the following method I've
learned from Trial and error,here it is.
I use Wonderbread. I remove the crust and lay it in
the bottom of a Plastic ShoeBox. I spray Water
containing ""Dick Boyds"-"Vita-Chem" One drop of this
in one of those small squirt bottles folks use to
Spray House Plants. I add a small pinch of yeast prior
to squirting the bread to assure fast development. As
for Holes in the lid,several stabs with a small pointy
knife does the trick. Once in a while taking the lids
to my sink to clean then back on again. I keep my
cultures going for 2-month's by adding several slices
of de-crusted White Bread per week and simply spraying
to moisten the bread without yeast.
This is the best method i've come across yet and its
also the simplest.
Cheers
Daniel Flaherty
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> Hi Nevin,
> 
> basically 3 of the answers given that far wind up to
> having less oxygen in
> the container. Yeast will burn your cereals and
> oxygen into CO2. Closed lid
> and solely a few very small wholes will also reduce
> the amount of oxygen.
> Putting the container on something warm will result
> in higher consumption of
> oxygen, thus scarcity in it. All three methods
> result in the same.
> 
> Per my experience, culturing the worms in cereal
> mixed with yeast (5 to 10%
> yeast), they start crawling up the walls after 3-4
> days.
> 
> Erik
> 
> 
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> > Von: owner-killietalk at aka_org
> [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]Im
> > Auftrag von Aspinwalln at aol_com
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. September 2002 19:37
> > An: killietalk at aka_org
> > Betreff: The culture of microworms
> >
> >
> > <PRE>Hello fellow killiekeepers. I have a question
> about
> > culturing techniques for
> > microworms. Presently, I am raising a large number
> of killie fry
> > and I need a
> > reliable supply of microworms. I have four or five
> cultures going
> > now but I
> > can't harvest very many. In otherwords, the
> microworms don't
> > crawl up on the
> > sides of the plastic container in large numbers,
> at least not
> > consistently.
> > My method is to make a slurry of Gerbers barley
> baby cereal and
> > place it in a
> > one pint plastic deli container. I don't add any
> yeast. I have
> > roughed up the
> > edges of the container with sandpaper. I keep the
> lid on tight.
> > Sometimes I
> > stir the mixture each day. Sometimes the worms
> crawl up the sides and
> > sometimes they don't. When you observe each
> culture the surface of the
> > culture is swarming with microworms. Has anyone
> experimented to
> > determine the
> > conditions necessary to force the worms up the
> sides of the
> > container.  Do
> > the worms crawl up the sides when the conditions
> are "good" or
> > "Bad"?  How
> > long does it take for a new culture to crawl up
> the sides? Any
> > suggestions?
> > Nevin in St. Louis.
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:46:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Flaherty Daniel <dannydi0 at yahoo_com>
Subject: Re: The culture of microworms

Try sticking Toothpicks or those Stirring Sticks,like
the kind your Dopctor put in your mouth and prods you
to say"AAAAHHH"
Just break off the size you will need so you can close
the lid,and after several hours you remove the stick
holding a nice serving of MW's. Just stick the cleaner
end up to where the mess stops and feed away. Hope
this helps.
Cheers
Daniel Flaherty
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> <PRE>Hello fellow killiekeepers. I have a question
> about culturing techniques for 
> microworms. Presently, I am raising a large number
> of killie fry and I need a 
> reliable supply of microworms. I have four or five
> cultures going now but I 
> can't harvest very many. In otherwords, the
> microworms don't crawl up on the 
> sides of the plastic container in large numbers, at
> least not consistently. 
> My method is to make a slurry of Gerbers barley baby
> cereal and place it in a 
> one pint plastic deli container. I don't add any
> yeast. I have roughed up the 
> edges of the container with sandpaper. I keep the
> lid on tight. Sometimes I 
> stir the mixture each day. Sometimes the worms crawl
> up the sides and 
> sometimes they don't. When you observe each culture
> the surface of the 
> culture is swarming with microworms. Has anyone
> experimented to determine the 
> conditions necessary to force the worms up the sides
> of the container.  Do 
> the worms crawl up the sides when the conditions are
> "good" or "Bad"?  How 
> long does it take for a new culture to crawl up the
> sides? Any suggestions? 
> Nevin in St. Louis.
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:44:08 -0700
From: "Allan Semeit" <azkillie at quixnet_net>
Subject: Spawning Lampeyes

One trick that works for most Lampeyes is to suspend a piece of
foam/sponge
filter material in the tank.  I use one that is about 10 inches long,
about
2 inches wide and about 1 inch thick.  I use a clothes pin at the top
edge
of the tank to hold the foam in place and insert it vertically.  The
Lampeyes inject their eggs into the foam pores.  After two weeks, just
remove the foam and place it in a plastic shoe box where the eggs hatch.
If
you have two foam inserts, you can rotate them every two weeks.  One
advantage to this system is that you do not have to handle the eggs -
and
some appear to be sensitive to your touch.  Try it!

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:06:38 -0700
From: "Clint Venable" <kg6ch at gte_net>
Subject: Ballast

The recent talk about fluorescent starters has reminded me that I need
one of those inline ballasts that usually come with a fish hood.  I have
searched the internet for months and have not been able to find an
appropriate one.  I would like to find one that has the cord all in one
piece so that I can do a simple replacement.  It needs to power a single
bulb in a standard commercial hood (24 inch if I remember).
Clint
Alta Loma, CA


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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:16:49 -0700
From: "Roger Hawthorne" <albanyaquarium at msn_com>
Subject: Re: Ballast

Clint:
What brand of hood? Is the existing unit 'Radionics'?
I take it the ballast is in the cord, not in the hood?
I have most all types on hand. You can contact me
at my e-mail. Most are $3.00.
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:40:09 EDT
From: RuevenM at aol_com
Subject: fish for trade

Hi All,

    I have some extra F1 pairs of Gnatholebias zonatus and
Fundulopanchax 
arnoldi that I would like to trade for some C. occidentalis and toddi. 
Contact me off list.

Robert Ellermann
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:34:44 +0100
From: "Keith Denson" <kaydee1938 at hotmail_com>
Subject: RE: The culture of microworms Al Brown

Hi Al,
     Your system for culturing microworms sounds great.
Could you please explain in detail exactly how you feed
your daphnia and white worms with the old cultures.

Keith Denson.
Manchester UK.


>From: owner-killietalk at aka_org (by way of Barry Cooper
<bjc3 at cornell_edu>)
>Reply-To: killietalk at aka_org
>To: "killietalk at aka_org" <killietalk at aka_org>
>Subject: RE: The culture of microworms Al Brown
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:02:02 -0700
>
>I keep six cultures of microworms in plastic 4x4 inch containers with
an 
>air
>tight lid. I start a new culture every Saturday morning and feed the
oldest
>(six weeks) culture to my daphnae and white worm cultures. I have kept
them
>going this way for close to 30 years. I tried it with and without
yeast. I
>see no difference. I use Gerbers oatmeal baby food. I can control the
speed
>of the culture maturing by making the mixture thin (watery) or a very
thick
>paste. The thicker the paste the longer it takes for the culture to
mature
>and produce in quantity. I cut small pieces of wood 3" x 3/4" x 3/4". I

>boil
>them in water until they are water logged and sink. I have been using
the
>same pieces of wood for years. I place two wood strips into the bottom
of 
>the
>culture about an inch apart. The oatmeal paste is lower than the top of
the
>piece of wood. I use a flat end wooden tongue scraper to scrape the
flat
>surface of the wood. It is covered in microworms without any cereal as
a
>contaminant. I can feed from the same culture twice a day. Over the
years I
>have fed and raised thousands of angel fish on these microworms. I
never 
>use
>brine shrimp (too much of a bother) I am now using microworms to feed
my
>notho fry. It works great.
>
>Al Brown
>Middletown, NJ
>
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