> Yes, the irritating newbie is back You're not irritating at all and you've asked good questions, Charlie. Sorry I don't have the answers for you (but glad to read the responses from those that do). Welcome to killies. Catherine --------------- See http://www.aka.org/AKA/subkillietalk.html to unsubscribe Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/AKA/Applic.htm