Re: AW: Mixing Fry(babies) long ramble

["Erny May" <emay1 at wi_rr.com>]

Try signing on with killietrader at yahoo_com,
they list some reasonable fish.
erny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Browning" <fisher25000 at yahoo_com>
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: AW: Mixing Fry(babies) long ramble


>
> I am not sure which "Seal Beach" the local club here meets at, but the
closest one is over 70 miles away! I am only 17, I can't travel that far for
some fish, that is why I buy them through the net. I seriously doubt any of
the "jamborees" are anywhere close to here also.
>  Erny May wrote:Chris,
> You are not doomed. Hookup with a local group,
> they usually have some auctions after their meetings;
> join the AKA and order from the fish and egg list,
> attend "killie festivals-shows-jamborees" to see great
> fish and by them at auction. You will find all the fish you
> want at reasonable prices. Once you get into this you will
> insist on the purity of the strain because they are yours and
> from your effort. Remember it takes no effort to produce a
> mongrel but lots of thought to keep a strain pure. Give
> all of this a chance and you'll see why we are killie nuts.
> erny
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Browning"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: AW: Mixing Fry(babies) long ramble
>
>
> >
> > I had no idea that that many Killies have disappeared, I had no idea
> there were that many different kinds. I guess because most of them are
gone,
> there is no information on them on the internet, and that is why I never
> knew they existed. I spent the last 3 hours getting a small rearing tank
for
> the fry ready to keep them seperate, and I am going to save up my money,
and
> get a 28-29 gallon tank to keep the females seperated. Evetually, in a few
> years, I hope to get one of those set-ups like they have in all fish
stores,
> with all the ten glalon tanks running on just a couple pumps. I believe
that
> Tetra actually sells the setups, so I hope to get one of those some day.
> What got me so made about what some people charge for fish and eggs is,
> there is a guy, Bill Hodgkiss, on aquabid who I got ahold of, and ordered
a
> pair of Aphy. Biat. He finally told me the price about a week after I
> ordered them, 30 DOLLARS!!! NOT INCLUDING SHIPPING! He wanted to charge me
> 27 dollars for PRIOR!
> > ITY mail!!! He would ship them in his own box, which he claimed was why
it
> cost so much, IT'S A GOD DAMN STYROFOAM BOX! If I ever sell Killies,
> particularly if I sell as many as he does, I will give them a damn box for
> free! A box big enough for 2 fish from fed ex is free as long as you ship
it
> form them! They will insulate it and everything! He is ripping everyone
off.
> He has dozens of beautiful fish I want to order, but I can not afford 60
> dollars for 2 fish! I don't think many of us can/will spend that much on 2
> FISH! There is another guy that charges like 25 dollars, plus the REGULAR
> shipping fees, and that is for 5 PAIRS! He is the only person with
> reasonable prices that I have found so far. I still can't afford any even
> though they are a good deal. And, he doesn't have anything that I really
> want, except some Epiplatys. But oh well, I'm just doomed I guess.
> >
> > Scott Davis wrote: > I don't see how some
> people can charge ten dollars for 12 eggs, and then
> > 10 dollars shipping, when their fishes provide the eggs FOR FREE!
> >
> > Of course the new fish room - perhaps as an addition on the house or a
> > finally finished basement, tanks, fan/vent, R.O. unit,, time,
electricity,
> > water bill, food, fish, time, gas and postage to mail free eggs, lights,
> > timer, nets, custom made stands, buckets, other paraphernalia and so on
> are
> > free too. ;)
> >
> > Now this is teasing (not ridiculing - I really want you to understand)
and
> > encouraging you to think about what you're saying. The person who is
> > charging may financially not be in too different a situation from you.
> They
> > would like to expand the fishroom or be able to pay some of the expenses
> > (gas, motel, food, new killies, plants) to a neat fish show in a couple
of
> > weeks.
> >
> > Many of the most productive killie breeders are younger people recently
> out
> > of school (what's the average indebtedness of college graduates - nearly
> > $20,000?), who are thinking of getting married or setting up a household
> or
> > starting a family or purchasing a home or getting more training for a
new
> > job or just getting that car paid for.
> >
> > The only way they can justify the expenses of their expanded hobby is by
> > using it to meet a small portion of those expenses. (Our second
Christmas
> > would have had no presents were it not for the gardneri sold at several
> > LFS.)
> >
> > For a number of retirees, the situation is much the same. Income (a
> > disappointing percentage of those paying into company pension plans will
> get
> > their money back) tends to be pretty much fixed. Real purchasing power
> goes
> > down.
> >
> > Having said that...
> >
> > You will find that in terms of time (often that most precious of
> > commodities) people are pretty generous.
> >
> > Nor is always necessary to pay huge sums for new stock. I had a visitor
on
> > Sunday who thought he was going to have to pay for what he took. I
smiled,
> > thinking of many kindnesses afforded me and mentioned to him that the
> house
> > rule was ask, if I have extra (eggs, fish, plants, food culture - heck
> even
> > tanks, I've given away extras I no longer needed) the answer is "yes".
If
> > the item can't be spared, "no" - nothing personal.
> >
> > He went home with a couple of fish, a daphnia start and starts for a
half
> > dozen types of plants, I figured I could spare them. By the way, he
drove
> a
> > pretty good distance with his wife and infant twins.
> >
> > If he raises some of the stuff he went home with and lets it go at
> auction,
> > no big deal. Figuring the time and resources he will spend doing that,
his
> > day job still pays a whole lot better.
> >
> > Lee's comment to Eric, a pretty sophisticated and experienced aquarist,
is
> > not entirely out of line.
> >
> > There are so many killies, so few killikeepers and so little time in the
> big
> > picture. Somebody on this list noted the other day that every hobby
strain
> > of Fpx walkeri is extinct in the wild.
> >
> > As you correctly noted Chris, you already know more about killies than
99
> > plus % of the world. Now however consider what a small proportion of
> people
> > who know about killies have pure stains of a particular species and are
> > distributing them.
> >
> > Actually a surprising number of killies from some years ago are still
> > around, but I sure wish that gardneri Klug's strain or the Yarnina Cocha
> > peruensis or the gardneri Lake Eyachem or the mirable traudeae or the
Riv
> > magdelenae Cali or the Aphanius dispar or the old red geryi strain or
the
> > Riv. isthmensis collected by Dan Fromm 20 years ago or the Aplocheilus
> > blocki strain they had in central Indiana in the 80s or the Cynolebias/
> > Simpsonichthys antenori or the Fundulopanchax rubrolabiale or the
> > Fundulopanchax monroviae or the Roloffia/ Scriptaphyosemion "Calibar"
> strain
> > or the original Red T - Bualanum (kekemense today) or even George
Maier's
> > old strain of Fpx scheeli (and on and on) were still around too.
> >
> > There just weren't enough killinuts and enough time to keep those
> wonderful
> > strains going. Gardneri Nsukka and Misaje are two of the most common
> killies
> > in the hobby. They aren't in immediate danger of disappearing. They will
> > remain, for a time anyway, whether those of us in this discussion keep
> them
> > or not.
> >
> > Is it fair to ask newbies to maintain a line of killies? Absolutely not!
> >
> > But good habits are easier to develop from the get-go.
> >
> > All the best!
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
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