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Re: More pH

Hello Duane and other water changers,

	Many of the visitors to my fish room here in St Louis during 
the Convention, were commenting about how lucky they were to have 
water at their homes which had a pH near 7 and not at 9.5 like my 
changing water. So is the St Louis water along with much of the 
Mid-west municipal water supplies. I drop in a little Thiosulfate and 
the pH drops to about 8. This water often goes into tanks which were 
just drained and had a pH of 5 to 6 due to the peat on the floor of 
the tank. No harm to the occupants.
	Peat and fish trash/waste contains lots of nitrogen compounds 
along with ammonia, amines and some nitrous compounds. This situation 
does not require peat but that could explain a lot of chemicals in 
the water. Never the less, pH changing by its self does not represent 
much of a lethal threat. But, if the pH goes up above 9 and there is 
ammonium ions present in large enough amounts, there will be enough 
ammonia to do harm to the fish- - - in the same way, at a pH of about 
4 and down, there is a release of nitrous acid and other acids 
(organic and sulfur acids) the release can be lethal in the same way 
as ammonia but on the other side of the acid/base curve. If the pH 
gets to around 2, Hydrogen Sulfide begins to be released., ever stir 
up an old pot of peat? smell the rotten eggs?(I know anaerobic 
degradation, but the sulfur compounds are there for the taking)

That is just another reason I try to change all the water in tanks.
Another reason is the situation is not an equilibrium. Water changes 
eventually reach an asymptote of dissolved solids mathematically, but 
just today a 20 gallon tank sprang a leak. Now where am I to go for 
an equilibrium? I will have to put the fish into my regular changing 
water while I let the sealer dry. Same pH, same solids, same 
everything, just like the water I changed them with last Friday.

It is not that the pH change is harmful, it is what it does to the 
water chemistry when it falls too far or rises too high.
Charles H

>   I`ve been reading all this lately about how a large swing in ph, 
>either up or down will not affect the health of Killies and this is 
>good news. But since I do not pop my Killies into waters with large 
>swings in ph I am more interested in what happens in a tank with a 
>ph crash. Before I was too busy to do the water changes I would get 
>this type of wipeout where the fish just laid around won`t eat and 
>the water sprite would start to die. The ph would read below 4.0 and 
>it would be on the way to a wipeout. I did not have a TDS meter at 
>the time so I was unable to check dissolved solids that could have 
>caused the crash or maybe some of the other factors. Does anyone out 
>there have an explanation of what happened if it wasn`t ph? I know 
>this is very little to work but any help would be greatly 
>appeciated, many thanks.         Duane


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