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Re: Mixing Fry(babies) NOT

Hi Chris,  That's right, you will NOT be able to tell the n'sukka females from the akure females.  Not sure how many adult fish in a 10, 3 pair maybe if it's loaded with mops and/or plants. It would be better if it's more females than males though. If these 2 strains cross, the resulting fry will look very normal and should be able to reproduce.  You would have to label them "aquarium strain" though, and not "n'sukka" or "akure". As far as I know, that isn't the way the different strains appeared. It has more to do with geography than cross breeding.  Each different strain becoming isolated from all the others, and the change in appearance due to it's different surroundings, and how each strain evolved. Please all, correct me if I'm wrong on this.  Ron
ps. I own a pure bred Jack Russel Terrier female ;) 
Ron Anderson
Warwick, RI 
alt email: ron02886 at cox_net

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:01:41  
 Chris Browning wrote:
> Do you mean I will not be able to tell the females from N'sukka and the females from Akure apart? Well, if that's true, how many adults can I keep in a ten gallon? So I can buy a few extra tanks and begin setting up a breeding area in my spare room, and also to keep the fish apart. Also, If a male from one,a nd a female from the other DO breed, will there be any true defects with the fry, or will the be just a mix of their parents? I know they won't be a true strain, but I am just curious to will the babies look like normal fish, and still be able to produce? Oh, and I want to point something out, how do you think there came to be different strains of Gardneri?! By a few different original pairs cross breeding in the wild! I am sure that Akure is a product of 2 other types of fishes cross breeding, as well as Jos Plateu, an N'sukka. I am not trying to argue, just make a point that your prized perfect fish are a by product of 2 other different fish. I doubt that any of you !

>wn a dog or a cat that is of a pure strain, and i bet that none of you care what type of dog your dog is.
>  Scott Davis <unclescott at prodigy_net> wrote: > There will only be about 25 fry, so I don't want to bother with 2 tanks,
>and I see no reason why they can't be raised together, but I just want to
>make sure incase there is something I don't know!
>Hummm. You've pushed one of the hot buttons for most killinuts. :)
>Can you tell the females apart at first glance - by body markings, not by
>size? At best you will have 25 miscellaneous aquarium strain gardneri. They
>can and will cross.
>At the worst you will have a few feeder fish.
>It is extremely difficult to tell females of some killie species apart.
>Strains are even more difficult short of a DNA analysis!
>If enough of us raised our gardneri together the strains would be lost -
>perhaps for mere eternity.
>A lot of these collecting spots from 20-30-40 years ago have been
>"developed" (look at American suburbs) and it's hard to collect killies from
>the parking lot of a market.
>There is then an ethical factor involved in keeping the strains as pure as
>There is a practical side too. A bunch of years ago a nice sized pair of
>gardneri labeled gardneri were at auction. The vigorous bidding had already
>taken the bag from $2 to $8 when a runner noticed some curious finage on the
>The pair was temporarily pulled from the auction. It was determined that
>they were some sort of Nsukka - yellow gardneri cross. They returned to the
>auction and sold for $3 or $4 as "a nice pair of gardneri aquarium strain".
>The person who brought them also had to endure the public embarrassment of
>bringing an illegitimate pair of killies to auction. After some years (!) he
>developed a reputation as a reliable killie breeder.
>Most of us would rather get twice as much money for our fishes (more as a
>matter of pride rather than economics). Most of us would rather not have to
>wait 5 or 10 years before people trusted us as breeders of reliable strains.
>So it is to your own advantage, even to the advantage of your killies and
>also to the advantage of the hobby to keep the strains separated.
>Do accidents happen? Certainly. Fish of uncertain heritage get fed to large
>hungry carnivores, flushed or frozen too.
>I remember a group of us even quietly buying up some auction offerings of a
>respected old-timer and giving them away to little kids rather than make a
>scene about the situation. That was the last time that so-called strain was
>seen in Chicago for years though. Never again was a strain of that
>gardneri - lacustris - found which bred as readily.
>Many of us keep a line of tanks with really different killies and other
>fishes. If there are jumpers (despite tight fitting tops) the travelers can
>be identified and returned home. (Example there is a biv tank next to a
>lineatus tank next to an Aphyosemion tank next to a livebearer tank next to
>an Aphanius/Lebias tank.)
>A visit to a Medaka (ricefish) research site the other day revealed that the
>researchers even used different nets and other implements for different
>strains of their medaka. They didn't want to spoil their research when an
>egg was moved on a net or siphon tube to a different tank.
>We have a dog who owes more to "Our Gang" than the American Kennel Club. He
>is a great family pet. But he will never be bred or entered in a dog show
>owing to his mixed parentage.
>If all you want is a tank of pretty fish, raise whomever together (now with
>different species often the faster growers will devour the slower growers.)
>But keep those fish in that tank never to be distributed.
>All the best!
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