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RE: Mike Reed's NOBS food

I remember asking Mike for some samples to distribute at
the AKA National two years ago.  His response - sorry I
don't have any samples for you.  He lost my business right
For my youngins, even down here in Ecuador, I use the
bottom contents of my daphnia tubs.  I have found that even
small and delicate fry like magnificus and alternatus and
others do extremely well on the snail droppings and
bacteria and baby daphnia at the bottom of the tubs. I just
redid my tubs this morning and this time I used rolled
newspaper to elevate three sides of the tubs so that the
droppings gravatate towards one end and that is where my
airline tube rests so that the uneaten brewers yeast will
recirculate more easily.  I have my tubs sitting inside
facing the East so they get all the light necessary for
algae production.  I have found that one can never have
enough snails in a tub and in fact, the snail population
explodes in a short time in a brewers yeast environment.
I don't want to discourge anyone from trying Mike's or
anyone else's new products.  Trying new things is they way
we progress.  For me, I have found that a prospering
daphnia tub is worth its weight in gold!

P.S.  The Rivulus that I collected in Coca are doing well. 
I have a few eggs of the Riv. erberi that are due to hatch
very soon.  I think I am having trouble coaxing more eggs
from these guys because my water is harder than they are
used to in the wild (0 hardness in Coca).  I am hoping to
go to Puyo in a few weeks to collect some different Riv's
on my semester break...

P.S.S. Oh how I wish I had brought another can of BSE's
with me.  


--- Tranquility Base <TranquilityBase at NetZero_Net> wrote:
> I will not comment on Mike Reed's food. I have never
> tried it. Most serious
> killie breeders use BBS. Mike knows it and he really does
> not expect us to
> change. As far as egg foods go, most of us can make our
> own.
> Green water, paramecium, small daphnia, BBS and
> microworms are as good as it
> gets! They are alive! They move! And they are pretty much
> similar to what
> the fish actually eat in the wild.
> Frankly, I don't think that he expects our business. He
> wrote an article
> some time back calling all of the people that give advise
> on the internet
> and question his product incompetent hacks!  He warned
> his readers that any
> advise that someone receives on the net is prone to be
> wrong. He commented
> that very few serious and knowledgeable fish breeders
> write on the net and
> advise is usually given by the inexperienced and
> incompetent who can find no
> better outlet for their misinformation. That leaves you,
> gentle reader, with
> a dilemma. Do you believe me or him?
> I believe that most venders target more inexperienced
> hobbyists. Mr. Reed is
> no exception.  Inexperienced hobbyists are much more
> likely to buy something
> off of the shelf rather than learn to hatch BBS or raise
> microworms.
> When I first began breeding fish, long long ago, I asked
> the owner of my LFS
> what to feed the fish larvae. He sold me a tube of
> something made from eggs.
> Most of the fry died.  Inexperience leads to short cuts
> and a dry food
> powder is eminently more marketable than a BS hatchery
> and instructions or a
> microworm culture.
> I am sure that Mr. Reed knows that he will do better with
> print advertising
> and product placement on LFS shelves than he will ever do
> at a killie show.
> Through the years I can recall some really poorly made
> cars. Few experienced
> mechanics ever owned any of them. But that never stopped
> any of them from
> becoming popular, at least for a few years.
> Peace,
> ~RJ~
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-killietalk at aka_org
> [mailto:owner-killietalk at aka_org]On
> Behalf Of Dennis W Heltzel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:41 PM
> To: Killietalk
> Subject: Re: Mike Reed's NOBS food
> I tend to agree with Larry about this. I subscribed to
> the newsletter for
> a while and then asked to be removed. I had an email
> discussion with Mike
> and suggested that he send samples to some of the local
> killie clubs, if
> it works as well as his web site proclaims, he'd get a
> lot of sales from
> that. His response was that he was selling it as fast as
> he could produce
> it and didn't need the extra business. That's when the
> little voice kicked
> in and said "if it sounds too good to be true . . ."
> I really wish someone I knew and trusted would jump in
> and say "that NOBS
> is great, it really works as Mike claims", I'd be happy
> to overlook a
> little arrogance for a great product.
> It was useful to read the information about the product
> and adapt the
> method for my own use. I currently use a spice/coffee
> grinder to pulverize
> whatever type of pellet food I'm feeding the adults. Then
> I take a pinch
> and rub it lightly between my fingers, letting the larger
> pieces drop back
> into the container. The fine dust that adheres to my
> fingers is then
> dusted onto the surface for small, surface feeding fry
> (Epiplatys and
> White Clouds, currently). This is a fast way to get in an
> extra feeding
> each day with little chance of FFS (fuzzy food syndrome,
> when the excess
> lays on the bottom) due to the small quantity of food
> actually used.
> Actually dipping your finger in the water to submerge the
> particles
> probably works well for fry that are lower in the water
> column, but I
> have only used that for Xenopus tadpoles.
> Dennis
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