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Re: Blue Gularis in the community tank

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Subject: Re: Blue Gularis in the community tank
From: "Patrick J. Coleman" <patrickjcolemanis at attbi_com>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:06:00 -0800
References: <F208cI2qEPbvEOZf1jU00004140 at hotmail_com> <3CAA5201.662958EF at planeteer_com>

Off the Topic and  I am sorry but, I can't tell if this is getting posted?
Thought it might interest those of you who were asking awhile back!
Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Hawthorne
To: Patrick J. Coleman
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:45 PM
Subject: Fw: Blackworm Keeping

I tried to send this. It came back. I hsate computers. They probably won't
use it. It is too long. If shortened, it'd be too brief.
Roger

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Roger Hawthorne
  Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:41 PM
  To: killetalk at aka_org.
  Subject: Blackworm Keeping

  I stared Blackwomrs in 1957 when some came in the roots of Valisneria from
Lucious Parish in San Marcos, Texas. They became crossed with some from
Macon Springs Trout Harchery above Red Bluff, California. Trout use little
of their food and worms often collect in settlement ponds. Many 'Wormers'
feed supplemental feed such as manure. Some use Pig Fat and Race Horse
feeds. I cannot produce enough and often oversell or simply screw up. My
well is 56f. That is 24f below 80, amd the same 24f above freezing. So it
has as much heating capacity, as cooling. I use a complicated mixture of
yeast with some fishfood that sinks, yet jells or sticks together. I use the
same bacteria one would use to make yogurt or for lactose digestive
problems. I use it it 'calf starter'. Feed stores carry that. I feel that
promotes their ability to injest feed through the water. I use Blackworms to
keep fry tanks clean. They collect egg shells and brine shrimp fry
leftovers. I have not indentified their bothering fish fry. But they sure
clean up the water well. My well water is on all the time. A pump going off
and on kills the motor. These are a dividing worm. Not an egglayer like
tubifex. The Blooedworm is the maggott of the 'Mide Fly'. Normally founf
amongst human feces. When freeze-dried any of that bacteria, good and bad,
can come back to life so to speak in ones nose instantly. Blackworms are
clean if kept that way. If a wife allows yogurt or creamcheese in the
fridge, why not Blackworms? I do not really like the wormkeepers. Good
grief, a common styrofoam shipping box with lid works excellent. Vigorously
agutate worms whilst changing water daily. I do feel chlorine water hurts.
They must be turned frequently. Those on the bottom will die if left too
long. A styro box will keep them cool even at 80f in the summer shade. Two
to fours inches water ideal. If croweded in dirty water, just barely cover
them. They will breathe air if need be. A pound or two will keep well on a
18x18" box. Why not leave the water on, just a trickle if the water stays
cold. Place under a tree, or in a utility sink. Or place a two-litter pop
bottle from the freezer in the box. That keeps the worms cool without the
need of another fridge. Space severly limits going into these worms value.
Plus I told myself I would not get involved in discusssion groups. I have
sold euphasia Superba plankton/krill to the University of Iowa at Ames and
Oregon State University Vetrinary Department. These are the larger
shrimp=like guys from the South Pole. All I know is this expensive food was
broken down to good stuff involving wax esthers and lipids. Simolar stuff
was in certain cactus. It is blended and made into sort of a beer. I am not
saying what I use there. It did take a very long time. Since I sell a lot of
flake fish food I purchase direct from the baker, I have a lot of small
particles left over. I don't intentionally sell pieces smaller than a dime.
These small parts are fed to the worms. When I raise a live food, I feed it
waht I desire the fish to end up with. I do experiment with even canteloupe
rind for color and fiber. The worms are reatred in 16ft fiberglass salmon
egg tubes. The water overflows the first stainless steel baffle, and goes
under the next. They are 1/2 inch apart. Designed to keep fish eggs
tumbling, they work great for blackworms. I have less than a dozen of these
and only one 'hand driven well' which limits production. I do use a lot of
egg yolks which are cheap now. They are a great food if fed great food. They
are very easy to keep if healthy when obtained and given minimal proper
care. I'll be glad to answer any questions thru 04/05. I depart for Cuba the
6th. And yes, I am diffferent. I love to prove what won't work does. I have
to see for myself. I look like an old small Paul Bunyon. I still cut trees
and plant even more. I'm best hidden away in my secret lab. Breeding fish is
akin to picking an apple. Producing a new fish ( if you have an unusual
female) is a cinch. It is a shame George Streisinger of the University of
Oregon Institute of Molecular Biology is not still with us. Check out any of
the Zfin or Zebrafish websites. My goal os a happy hobbyists. And I have
them in this link.

  Roger Hawthorne
  Albany Aquarium
  albanyaquarium at msn_com

  I believe I successssfully signed in.
  And thanks for a great site and job

----- Original Message -----
From: "dominic" <apisto at planeteer_com>
To: <killietalk at aka_org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Blue Gularis in the community tank

> I've got a trio of Gularis in a 20 gallon tank with a trio of cruzi
variant
> apistos. The tank is stuffed with java moss and fern. The water is quite
soft,
> and the surface is covered with salvinia and duckweed.
>
> One of my female apistos is currently escorting a clutch of 25 or so fry,
and
> chasing the Gularis off her patch. I've not seen any attempt by the
gularis to
> chase her fry, and they're in about week 3 of free swimming now.
>
> dominic
>
> Jason Owens wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on keeping Blue Gularis in an
Amazon
> > tank with an Apistogramma pair, some Rams, and several smaller killi
species
> > (gardneri, golden wonder, e. chaperi).  The tank is a planted 46-gallon,
> > with soft/acidic water.  I've heard very mixed things about Blue Gularis
in
> > terms of behavior and compatability.  Some say they're quite aggressive.
> > Others say not so.  Who to believe?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jason
> >
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