I found this to be a good discussion. I never thought to use Endlers as dither fish. I do have A. celiae and they are very shy. I will have to give it a try! Thanks for the info. ! Chris Wetmore --------------- See http://www.aka.org/AKA/subkillietalk.html to unsubscribe Join the AKA at http://www.aka.org/AKA/Applic.htm